Thousands demonstrate in anti-Bush march...

[ra]

it is obvious that all the "liberation" and "freedom" rhethorics is a usuall crap that is repeated since late-40s, and noone really cares about Iraqi people...  

Putin does.  He opposed this war because he didn't want Iraqi people to suffer.  Now he opposes lifting UN sanctions for the same reason.  He is a real humanitarian with no interest in oil prices at all.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Martlet
You could say that.  The US put together a "Free Iraqi Army" composed of Iraqi refugees to the US.  Considering they are from Iraq, I'd have to see they are pretty well informed.

It's funny how you'll grab any anti-american angle you can.  You should date Arfann when he's old enough.

Again you quoted my question and didn't answer it.

Being an Iraqi refugee should help understanding the current problems, but all I see is that "refugees" support their own social/ethnic groups. Under current conditions I see an opportunity that intervents will arm one group and start something like a civil war, declaring their opponents "bloody enemies of Democracy", using this worn-out slogan as an excuse.

Another thing that makes some difference is education. Being an Iraqi refugee will not help if not supported by a serious scientific method.

As for being "anti-american" - I just can't imagine what should happen in order to make me support agressors. All words about "liberation" simply make me sick. Especially when spoken by righteous young Party activists.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ra
Putin does.  He opposed this war because he didn't want Iraqi people to suffer.  Now he opposes lifting UN sanctions for the same reason.  He is a real humanitarian with no interest in oil prices at all.

It's simple: no advantages for the occupant's puppet regime. Lifting sanctions is impossible until intervents will completely withdraw their troops and it will obvious that Iraqi oil industry will stay nationalized.

If we were unable to stop the agressor - we should do the best we can so they will not benefit from their "victory". Next time they will think twice before raping another souverign nation.

[ra]

What is even more simple is that the Russian economy is tied directly to the price of oil.

[Arfann]

Originally posted by Dowding
BBC Report

I been accused of being anti-bush myself, believe it or not. I say, FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!!  They can shave it or not, I'll take it either way.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
- I just can't imagine what should happen in order to make me support agressors.

Seems like only yesterday you were singing Stalin's praises, too.

Now you can't support him apparently.

You change so fast it's hard to keep up.

But it's always entertaining.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ra
What is even more simple is that the Russian economy is tied directly to the price of oil.

So any advantage to occupants is a threat to our wealth. Did you expect Russians watch as they are robbed again? That times have passed, at least I hope so.

You protect your intersts by trying to steal Iraqi oil, and we protect ours by not letting you do it.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Boroda
So any advantage to occupants is a threat to our wealth. Did you expect Russians watch as they are robbed again? That times have passed, at least I hope so.

You protect your intersts by trying to steal Iraqi oil, and we protect ours by not letting you do it.

pot kettle black.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad
Seems like only yesterday you were singing Stalin's praises, too.

Now you can't support him apparently.

You change so fast it's hard to keep up.

But it's always entertaining.

Toad, you are so pissed off by Stalin because he made an impossible thing of defeating nazism and then recovering after the War so 12 years after the Victory we were ahead of you.

I understood your post that you mean Stalin was an agressor? I bet you meant "Soviet intervention in Poland 1920" again?  Or have you been told already that evil USSR attacked helpless Hitler in 1941?

Toad, unfortunately you are as entertaining as a radio. You need to get really drunk to try argueing with your radio set. There is no way for you to admit that in Iraq "coalition" acts like an agressor, and, in fact, an international gangster.

[ra]

You protect your intersts by trying to steal Iraqi oil, and we protect ours by not letting you do it.

The US has always paid for its oil, usually at prices which are artificially inflated by cartels.  I can't think of a time when the US got oil for free.  And as far as the US going to war for oil, the numbers don't add up.  This war could end up costing $100 billion dollars, which would buy more oil than Iraq produces in 5 years.  Assuming the US 'steals' every drop of oil Iraq produces from now on, it will take a minimum of 5 years to break even.  It would have been infinitely cheaper to just pay for oil at the current inflated rate than going into Iraq with tanks.  Only oil exporters see this war as being about oil.

ra

[Boroda]

Originally posted by ra
The US has always paid for its oil, usually at prices which are artificially inflated by cartels.  I can't think of a time when the US got oil for free.  And as far as the US going to war for oil, the numbers don't add up.  This war could end up costing $100 billion dollars, which would buy more oil than Iraq produces in 5 years.  Assuming the US 'steals' every drop of oil Iraq produces from now on, it will take a minimum of 5 years to break even.  It would have been infinitely cheaper to just pay for oil at the current inflated rate than going into Iraq with tanks.  Only oil exporters see this war as being about oil.

ra

Sure, oil importers don't doubt that it is NOT for oil

As we have learned many times - all agressors come to stay for centuries, what five years are you talking about?

BTW, it's a good example of "capitalist free market". The one who has bigger gun always wins in a "fair competition".

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Boroda

You protect your intersts by trying to steal Iraqi oil, and we protect ours by not letting you do it.

Well a damn fine job of stopping us you did
We have the oil now, bite our arse.

[X2Lee]

Originally posted by Boroda
, set. There is no way for you to admit that in Iraq "coalition" acts like an agressor, and, in fact, an international gangster.

and that should be enuff to make you shut yer worthless piehole before you end up buried under a parking lot ;->

[Toad]

No, Stalin doesn't piss me off any more than any other genocidal dictator from Hitler to Idi Amin to Hussein does.

More than anything, those kind of people make me feel sorry for the populations they oppress and slaughter.

Aggression? Great comeback there Yakov!

Invasion of Finland ring any bells for you?

Stabbing Poland in the back? Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty? Soviet troops invaded Polish territory from the east on September 17, 1939 while the following treaties and agreements were in effect between the governments of Poland and the Soviet Union:

The Peace Treaty between Poland, Russia and the Ukraine signed in Riga, on March 18, 1921, by which the Eastern frontiers of Poland were defined.

The Protocol between Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Rumania and the USSR regarding renunciation of war as an instrument of national policy, signed in Moscow on February 9, 1929.
 
The Non-Aggression Pact between Poland and the USSR signed in Moscow on July 25, 1932.
 
The Protocol signed in Moscow on May 5, 1934 between Poland and the USSR, extending until December 31, 1945, the Non-Aggression Pact of July 25, 1932.
 
The Convention for the Definition of Aggression signed in London on July 3, 1933.

Oh, yeah.. remember what happened on 15 June 1940 in Lithuania?

June 17, 1940 in Latvia?

September 28, 1939 in Estonia?

The "incorporation" of Albania, Bulgaria, Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia into the Soviet Union after WW2?

And of course things didn't really change after Stalin did they?

There's November 4th, 1956, a date all Hungarians probably remember.

Or the night of August 20-21 1968, a time I'm sure all Czech's probably remember.



When it comes to "International Gangster", I think the Soviet Union gets to keep the trophy. No other nation will ever come close.

Pretty cool when Stalin also assured that you folks will forever have the "Genocide against a nation's own population" trophy locked up forever too......

I seriously doubt the day will ever come that ANY nation will topple the record of aggression and abuse of their neighbors and citizens that the Soviet Union managed to compile in such a relatively short time.

But you go ahead and be proud of that.... it's what makes you such a valuable comedy addition to this BBS!

Keep 'em coming! You've got me laughing so hard my face hurts.

[blitz]

The ones demonstrating against Saddam & USA must be communists!! Use napalm. I like the smell of it



Regards Blitz




America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous