Author Topic: Perk the LA-7 (Read 1333 times)

WarpAW · « **on:** April 18, 2003, 07:49:28 PM »

I fly the LA-7 mostly now. Been doin it for maybe a week. I agree that it's very fast and fairly maneuverable at all but severly high altitudes. I agree that it should be perked, even though I fly it regularly now. If they don't perk it. I will continue to take advantage of the situation.

nopoop · « **Reply #1 on:** April 18, 2003, 10:37:35 PM »

I disagree.

Without the Lag, us old codgers flying planes that can't turn with her, can't outrun her wouldn't get that warm fuzzy feeling we get when meeting one co-altitude and blowing her soggy rusky butt outta the sky.

For there is nothing better.

Kweassa · « **Reply #2 on:** April 18, 2003, 10:56:19 PM »

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LA-7: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
P-51D: 3 points
190D-9: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
109G-10: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points

Perking these 10 planes would shift the MA into a mid/late 1943 environment.

The F4U-1, P-51B, La-5FN, and the P-47D11 will be the four fastest fighters at low alts at military power, and F4U-1, P-51B, LA-5, Fw190A-8 would be the four fastest on WEP.

There's a much bigger chance to see people using various fighters, which before, have been ignored by a lot of average pilots for the reason that they weren't fast or maneuverable enough against 1944~'45 planes.

The survivability of the P-47s will be vastly enhanced, and since some of the 'super ground attackers' with 2k payload + rockets, have been perked, it would truly live up to its name as a great and fast ground attacking fighter-bomber.

The ol' N1K2 fans will probably just move on to Spit9s anyway. We'll be seeing a bit less N1K2s, but more Spits.. but no special harm done here.

The P-51D fans would shift to the P-51B.. which has a little less ammo load, and weaker jabo capabilities. We'll definately see less whinings about 'cowardly runstangs' who come in at 20k to do a single bomb drop and run straight home after.

The F4U-1 corsair will also start to shine out, but it will of course, be limited in jabo capabilities, compared to the C-hog and the D-hog.

La-7 fans can comfortably ride the La-5FN, since it shares simular characteristics with the La-7, and is still among the fastest non-perked planes .. but the speed difference between other fighters will be a bit less than the La-7: meaning, it'd require some more careful flying, and also, people won't be whining about La-5FNs much.

Also, some planes which only a few people rode just for kicks, might come into real recognition: such as the Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, Fw190A-5, Fw190A-8, C.205.. which will be vastly enhanced in survivability and versatility. More variety IMO, can be expected.

Also, some jabo planes which people neglected before, could become very appealing, since the planes that were very fast, and also carried huge bomb loads will be perked. Planes like the Mosquito and the Bf110G-2, Fw190F-8 might be able to get more usage as preferred jabo ride of choice. When the 10 planes are perked, the Mossie and the 110, F-8 can all be considered fast planes...

The 3~4 point perk price would also be adequate. It'd be a super cheap price for the 'experten' who amassed massive perks, and won't bother them from riding their favored rides... and also, it is not a very heavy burden for average/low-skilled pilots, too. Work a bit with other fighters, and they'll achieve 3~10 points easily in a single day. They'll get a chance to ride better planes soon.. and if they are shot down, it's not like losing 200 perks. Just barely enough price to control the numbers in the MA, IMO.

If those 10 fighters are perked, the planes people will use, will be at 310~336mph range at deck speeds, where many many previously neglected planes can be used. The one single problem is the P-38L, which doesn't have an earlier variant..

With my suggested perk setup, I think we can see more variety, less whining, and satisfy the people who want to fly fast monster planes(perks very low for the experts), people who want to fly planes they want without too much of a burden(low perks - not really too much of a burden), and also the people who want some plane numbers regulated(3 perks is not too high, but still needs some work for the vast majority of average/low-skilled players who take up 80% of AH). Also, my suggestion will give some great expert jabo planes(Mossie, 110G-2, Fw190F-8) their role in the MA.. where currently they have no place at all, since almost every USAAF/USN plane can carry loads of rockets+2k load.

ps) also, the survivability of bombers will go up a lot more!

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"if you do that without perking the Spit IX, P-51, N1K, I think you'd just encourage the LA-7 drivers into the next best ride; and then we'd have to have the same discussion again about a different plane. "

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This is true, oboe, but let's consider the 'next best planes', in the case of the 'perk list' I've suggested.

The 'next best rides', in this case, are much more 'balanced' with lesser performing planes than when the late-war planes were unperked. As I posted above, the P-51B, F4U-1, La-5FN, P-47D-11 are the fastest non-perked planes at low alts with military power, and the P-51B, F4U-1, La-5FN, Fw190A-8 are the fastest planes with wep. Of the five plane types, only one plane can be considered both 'fast' and 'maneuverable' (La-5FN).

The P-51B is a versatile fighter, but more limited in ammo load, firepower, and jabo capabilities. The F4U-1 is also a great plane, but it definately isn't a like the La-7 or Yak-9U, which has almost every attribute in the top class. P-47D-11, limitations are almost too clear.. and the Fw190A-8.. can also be simular to the P-47D-11.. heavy plane that needs lot of practice and effort to learn. The only plane that vaguely shadows the 'super planes' of 1944~'45, is the La-5FN... but definately easier to handle than the La-7 or the Yak-9U.

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I still think my idea's worth a try

DrDea · « **Reply #3 on:** April 18, 2003, 10:59:40 PM »

Screw the La7's.They arent all that.Ive killed enough of them to know that there only a real threat with a good pilot.Basicly the same kinda guy thats gonna kick your keester in about anything so as far as perkin it?Let the noobs keep em.

wetrat · « **Reply #4 on:** April 18, 2003, 11:11:09 PM »

I just told someone else in a different thread to STFU about the same thing, so...

STFU

Pongo · « **Reply #5 on:** April 18, 2003, 11:12:01 PM »

warpaw.
with a .7 to 1 kill to death ratio I dont think anyone cares much what you fly.

DrDea · « **Reply #6 on:** April 18, 2003, 11:21:04 PM »

You actually took the time to check his kill ratio before you replied?????

nopoop · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2003, 11:52:55 PM »

Yea I found that funny too.

Warp, welcome to the boards, welcome to the game.

I see you've been pluggin away for a couple of months and improving quite a bit by taking a "peek" myself.

First thing to learn on the boards, there is always a motive for a reply.

Pongo's if self evident. Anytime ANYONE makes reference to a posters score, one naturally checks the score of the one who replied.

Basic board stuff.

Essentially what Pongo said was "Look at my score"

And checking back over the last few months he has a good one going..

Gee Pongo that's good.

LOL

( check mine real quick before you reply )

LOL

See Warp in some ways, the board is a way to measure the size of ones genitallia.

Fortunatlly at this point in my life I pretty much use it to drain the beer..

DrDea · « **Reply #8 on:** April 19, 2003, 12:04:43 AM »

I dunno I must not be a score potato.I rarely EVER checked mine online unless someone in the squad said something about it.Im on sabatical at the time so I dont have one.Save your time looking ladies:rolleyes: But with in a few weeks I will be back in the game and STILL not giving a rats bellybutton what anyone elses let alone mine is.Ya get wrapped up in the score you miss the point.I will dive into a 5 on 1 squadie in deep doo doo or even a fellow green guy because I really dont care if I survive.I like letting em know I was there.Even at the cost of life cause its not a noodle measurment thing.The score potatos have no balls to speak of so I will stick with my normal 300 to 400 ranking and be happy knowing I never hung anyone out in pursuit of the holy perk points.Life is good:p

Urchin · « **Reply #9 on:** April 19, 2003, 02:31:06 AM »

I don't really think Pongo was saying "gee, look at my score". I think he was saying exactly what he said, which is if the guy only maintains a .7 to 1 ratio in the La-7, nobody is going to much care if he flies it.

Pongo · « **Reply #10 on:** April 19, 2003, 02:36:03 AM »

Sorry nopoop. Is the score thing a sore spot for ya?

Took you half an hour to type that and me 20 seconds to check his score.
Maybe haveing never fought him I wanted to get some idea exactly how successful he is in "taking advantage" of the la7 as he put it.
You guys are sure sensitive about the score thing. Is it suddenly evil to look at a guys score when he offers an opinion on an aircraft? I didnt look at his rank or anything just how efective he is in fighters and in the la7.
Maybe you should tell HT to take down the score page! Its evil.

DrDea · « **Reply #11 on:** April 19, 2003, 02:48:59 AM »

Im not score sensitive.I wish HT WOULD take down the score page and not score at all.Since they implemented the score potato of the month award,do any of you guys ever stop to think how long that hi fellow green guy is going to think about diveing down to help you on a 3 on 1 when he has a 5 kill streak going? I think that little deal is gonna cause hard feelings somewhere down the line.Hes of course gonna tell ya hes on fumes or has no ammo while hes fully loaded both ways looking for a vulchfest.Thats also when I started to consider leaving the game and then did. Pizza map and score potatoin monthly circle Jerk awards kinda turned me off.Im gonna come back just to hunt those dweebs

Urchin · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2003, 02:51:09 AM »

To be perfectly honest with you, that score thing hasn't changed the way I fly fighters at all. All it means is that if I want a shot at 50 bucks, I need to play in the GVs some and capture a couple fields with goons.

As far as fighter and attack goes.... I've been scoring high in those categories since long before this contest came around, and I expect I will be long after it goes away.

DrDea · « **Reply #13 on:** April 19, 2003, 03:00:13 AM »

Yea same here.I never gooned troops much.Ran sups tho.I expect several people will change there flying style where 50 clams is involved.I would personaly rather roll around in pig slop than hang out a squadie tho in the hopes of landing kills.I was really only really about the score one time and that was in AOL AW.After being target of the month for the next month,I had enough of that.Aint worth the headache.Now I strive for middle of the pack and dont take it to seriously.

nopoop · « **Reply #14 on:** April 19, 2003, 11:55:10 AM »

No Pongo and Urchin the score thing has nothing to do with it actually.

You have a new guy in this game that finally got up the gumption to make his FIRST post on this board and you promptly try to make him feel like dog sh*t.

There's many ways to accomplish that, you just happened to use the score thing.

He just might never post again, which is a bad thing.

Because my ratio of posts on this board is increased by that amount..

And I tend to drone on..