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Re: Americans receive only limited and biased news
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2003, 12:31:02 PM »
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I love it when someone says that Americans receive only limited news (CNN) while implying that they get the "real" news.

Americans probably have access to more news sources than any other people.

Is there a secret news source that I am not aware of ?


Actually, if you know where to look, you can get some decent "alternate perspective" news in the US. I have Adelphia and have caught some European and MiddleEastern news shows on Cspan and PBS. Much better than Fox, Cnn, and MSNBC who appear to be in a talking heads cheerleading competition.

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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2003, 12:31:58 PM »
Technically speaking, everybody from Canadians to Argentines can claim to be 'American' as all live on (or near) American continents.  (The Americas)   Although the citizens of the United States of America have adopted the term 'American' due to convenience over 'United Statesian'.

Puerto Rico has been a territory of the USA (like Guam is) since the Spanish American War.  About the same time Hawaii became a territory if memory serves.

Puerto Ricans are indeed American on 2 counts.

There are Puerto Ricans lobbying for statehood, others for independance, others for continued territory status.
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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2003, 12:32:56 PM »
5 stars!!!

I'm voting this thread 5 stars. :D

This has the potential to be The Thread of The Year.
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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2003, 12:40:22 PM »
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Technically speaking, everybody from Canadians to Argentines can claim to be 'American' as all live on (or near) American continents.  (The Americas)   Although the citizens of the United States of America have adopted the term 'American' due to convenience over 'United Statesian'.

Puerto Rico has been a territory of the USA (like Guam is) since the Spanish American War.  About the same time Hawaii became a territory if memory serves.

Puerto Ricans are indeed American on 2 counts.

There are Puerto Ricans lobbying for statehood, others for independance, others for continued territory status.


Hawaii is a US state, PR is not and has voted not to become a US state. PR is not a US state.

When one mentions "Americans" or "death to America" who do you think they are refering to?

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« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2003, 12:48:43 PM »
I agree with you that 'Death to America' means the USA, but PR is a territory, with citizens and everything.  They just haven't decided whether to become a state.  

When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, or Attacked Attu Island, they were attacking America, even though Alaska and Hawaii were but territories, ans not official states.

Argue against that.
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« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2003, 12:56:05 PM »
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I agree with you that 'Death to America' means the USA, but PR is a territory, with citizens and everything.  They just haven't decided whether to become a state.  

When Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, or Attacked Attu Island, they were attacking America, even though Alaska and Hawaii were but territories, ans not official states.

Argue against that.


When Japan Bombed the US fleet in Hawaii it was an act of war against the US.  If the US fleet had been anywhere else, it would still be an attack on the US fleet and an act of war.

Is that a good argument?

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2003, 12:57:33 PM »
Nuke, please don't attempt to debate when you don't know what you're talking about. Go educate yourself first man.

Interesting Facts:
The term "United States" when used in a geographical sense on official documents, acts and/or laws; includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.

The U.S. has twelve unincorporated territories, also known as possessions, and two commonwealths. The major possessions are American Samoa, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. All of these have a non-voting representative in the U.S. Congress. The major commonwealths are Puerto Rico and the Northern Marianas. Commonwealths have their own constitutions and greater autonomy than possessions, and Guam is currently in the process of moving from the status of unincorporated territory to commonwealth. The residents of all of these places are full U.S. citizens, with the exception of those on American Samoa who are U.S. nationals, but not citizens. (U.S. Commonwealths/Territories: American Samao, Baker Island, Howland Island, Guam, Jarvis Island, Kingman Reef, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Palmyra Atoll, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands (St. Croix, St. John and St. Thomas), and Wake Island).

Puerto Rico has its own Olympic team and competes in the Miss Universe pageant as an independent nation.


Comes from: http://welcome.topuertorico.org/government.shtml

They are as much a part of the United States as anyone from the main land. Just wish I lived there and didn't have to pay FIC. ;)

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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2003, 12:58:17 PM »
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When Japan Bombed the US fleet in Hawaii it was an act of war against the US.  If the US fleet had been anywhere else, it would still be an attack on the US fleet and an act of war.

Is that a good argument?


So if Japan had just bombed Pearl Harbor and cities in Hawaii, but not the fleet, it would not have been an act of war against the US?

BTW, good job derailing your own thread.

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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2003, 01:01:44 PM »
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Nuke, please don't attempt to debate when you don't know what you're talking about. Go educate yourself first man.

Interesting Facts:
The term "United States" when used in a geographical sense on official documents, acts and/or laws; includes the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, and American Samoa.

The U.S. has twelve unincorporated territories, also known as possessions, and two commonwealths. The major possessions are American Samoa, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. All of these have a non-voting representative in the U.S. Congress. The major commonwealths are Puerto Rico and the Northern Marianas. Commonwealths have their own constitutions and greater autonomy than possessions, and Guam is currently in the process of moving from the status of unincorporated territory to commonwealth. The residents of all of these places are full U.S. citizens, with the exception of those on American Samoa who are U.S. nationals, but not citizens. (U.S. Commonwealths/Territories: American Samao, Baker Island, Howland Island, Guam, Jarvis Island, Kingman Reef, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Palmyra Atoll, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands (St. Croix, St. John and St. Thomas), and Wake Island).

Puerto Rico has its own Olympic team and competes in the Miss Universe pageant as an independent nation.


Comes from: http://welcome.topuertorico.org/government.shtml

They are as much a part of the United States as anyone from the main land. Just wish I lived there and didn't have to pay FIC. ;)


Only residents of the US can vote and are considered full citizens, Why don't you educate yourself.

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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2003, 01:02:39 PM »
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When Japan Bombed the US fleet in Hawaii it was an act of war against the US.  If the US fleet had been anywhere else, it would still be an attack on the US fleet and an act of war.

Is that a good argument?


What about Alaska?  What did they have against Alaska?

And it is an excellent argument.
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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2003, 01:04:36 PM »
Keep going Nuke, don't give in!  You look smarter with each post.


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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2003, 01:07:17 PM »
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What about Alaska?  What did they have against Alaska?

And it is an excellent argument.


Im pretty sure that the attack on the US fleet at Pearl Harbor brought the US into the war, but the attack of US forces in the Alaskan islands would still be an act of war.


What if US forces where attacked in Kuwait.....does it matter where are forces are attacked?

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« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2003, 01:11:10 PM »
"Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan." FDR
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« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2003, 01:11:36 PM »
The simple fact is that US citizens have access to as much or more news sources than the residents of most other countries have.



That was the original point of my post.

and PR is not a US state.

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« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2003, 01:13:08 PM »
Now wait, Nuke..why would an attack on Alaska in the 40's be an act of war? Alaskans weren't US citizens then according to you.