Author Topic: Americans receive only limited and biased news (Read 2122 times)

Puke · « **Reply #45 on:** April 20, 2003, 09:48:57 PM »

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LOL, yeah, because that crappy university is representative of our whole country, right?

No, only your educated.

The point of that was that the people of PR cannot feel all that part of the USA if they screech out "Americans go home." PR is a protectorate, and that's about it to me. It certainly didn't feel like a visit to Arizona, Texas or even Hawaii when I was there but most definitely a foreign country. I wasn't making a comparison as to educational systems, but I guess due to your being overly defensive, you wish to make that leap. It was strictly a comment as to how "American" the people of Puerto Rico feel. And if you think the tragedy at Columbine has anything to do with the educational system in the USA, then your logic is silly. Just like the USA, I'm guessing PR has its low performing schools and its more affluent schools...based mostly on economics. Just like the USA, some children in PR have troubles and others do not. But what happened at Columbine has nothing to do with how American kids feel, kids shunning their own country, the performance of the educational system or their attire and absolutely nothing with how many sources of news we have here in the USA. And again on that point, since our nation is very affluent when compared to most other nations, per capita, we have the ability to seek out a variety of news organizations and articles than a great, great majority of the rest of the world. And we are free to make peaceful dissent against policies or a particular administration.

Pongo, I clicked your link... not Chomsky! He's a clown anytime he talks about the Vietnam War. And I know. Anyway, we (the USA) have access to his articles, so this just proves the point that we have a great many avenues for news and thought. Which is what this whole thread is about. I bet you that book sold more in the USA than anywhere else too. But I won't buy it based on what I know about one of the authors.

I should have my wife jump into this thread, she majored in Journalism at San Fran State. She's give you all a really good pinch that would leave a nasty bruise for purporting that journalists here are biased or controlled by the monolithic government.

NUKE · « **Reply #46 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:10:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Puke

Pongo, I clicked your link... not Chomsky! He's a clown anytime he talks about the Vietnam War. And I know. Anyway, we (the USA) have access to his articles, so this just proves the point that we have a great many avenues for news and thought. Which is what this whole thread is about. I bet you that book sold more in the USA than anywhere else too. But I won't buy it based on what I know about one of the authors.

People like Boroda, Blitz and others seem to imply that Americans don't have access to "real" news. I'll bet Americians have access to more news than anyone else on a per ccountry basis.

A comparison betweet US and UK as an example

AM radio stations: US: 7,762 UK: 219
FM radio stations US: 5,542 UK: 431
Shortwave statons US: 18 UK: 3
TV Stations US:1500 broadcast + 9000 cable stations, UK: 228
Internet Providers US: 7,800 UK: 228
Internet Users US: 166 million UK: 33 million
Telephone Lines US: 194 million UK: 34 million
Cell Phone users: 69 million UK: 13 million

Americans have extraordinary access to a wide variety of news from around the world. To say that Americans are somehow out of touch with "real" news is rediculous to the extreme.

Thrawn · « **Reply #47 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:13:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Puke
She's give you all a really good pinch that would leave a nasty bruise for purporting that journalists here are biased or controlled by the monolithic government.

Perhaps you should read it. The book is more about biases that are inherant in the US media, because so much of it is owned by so few monolithic corporations, not government. The "propaganda model" has held up very well over past few decades.

Animal · « **Reply #48 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:23:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Puke
No, only your educated.

Really?
Can you tell me which of our 32 universities you visited?

Cause I also want to be educated, and it seems it can only be done in one place.

Your comment was based on your experience many years ago on a single college. I can already imagine which one it is.

By the same logic, I could say that a large chunk of the US is a bunch of borderline murderers, or anti-capitalist extremists.

Obviously this is idiotic, but, I'm using your logic.

I have visited MANY colleges in the US, and not once did I create a stereotype of the American people by what I saw in any of them. And that was not 15 years ago, its recent data.

Thankfully I dont create an image of the typical American just by reading the tripe some of you post in this BBS.

NUKE · « **Reply #49 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:30:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
LOL, yeah, because that crappy university is representative of our whole country, right?

What do you mean when you say "our whole country" ?

I thought PR is the same as the US?

Seems like the guy who says he's American and PR is part of the US sure likes to seperate the two a lot. First it's "your schools" in the US and then it's "our country" in Puerto Rico.

I do keep getting smarter....it's true! Every post!

Animal · « **Reply #50 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:33:58 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
What do you mean when you say "our whole country" ?

I thought PR is the same as the US?

I do keep getting smarter....it's true! Every post!

No reading comprehension, eh NUKE?
Didnt I already explain to you that PR education system is a different entity from the rest of the US?

I'm not going thru the trouble of explaining some Poli. Science to you so you can get a better grasp of what COMMONWEALTH means, and why PR can be correctly defined both as a country and also as part of the USA. Get your own education.

I dont even know what your point is anymore. I dont even know why you brought this whole PR thing in the first place. But keep posting, you'll get a years pass in the short bus.

Puke · « **Reply #51 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:44:38 PM »

Animal,

Calm down. Point is, how "American" can a population feel when elements of that population exclaim "Americans go home!"? Even those here in the USA completely unhappy with the USA and sending mailbombs out or shooting other kids in schools or holding up a protest sign still feel American and aren't saying "Americans go home." What do murderers have anything to do with my point about just how "American" Puerto Ricans feel? Please stay on topic. At one point you were arguing the point that PR *is* a part of America and I just didn't feel it and I don't think many in Puerto Rico feel it either.

I guess you are arguing that Puerto Ricans feel "American." That's cool, but I have trouble believing that.

Thrawn, no way will I touch that book. I've wasted enough time on Chomsky. If he ever has something positive to say about the USA, please let me know cautiously 'cause it'll probably be such a shock to me that I'll go into cardiac arrest. The guy typically only criticizes and never offers answers...does he actually put forth answers in that book? I don't see a problem with individuals owning the news media.

Animal · « **Reply #52 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:49:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Puke
Animal,

Calm down. Point is, how "American" can a population feel when elements of that population exclaim "Americans go home!"? Even those here in the USA completely unhappy with the USA and sending mailbombs out or shooting other kids in schools or holding up a protest sign still feel American and aren't saying "Americans go home." What do murderers have anything to do with my point about just how "American" Puerto Ricans are? Please stay on topic. At one point you were arguing the point that PR *is* a part of America and I just didn't feel it.

I guess you are arguing that Puerto Ricans feel "American." That's cool, but I have trouble believing that.

Thrawn, no way will I touch that book. I've wasted enough time on Chomsky. If he ever has something positive to say about the USA, please let me know cautiously 'cause it'll probably be such a shock to me that I'll go into cardiac arrest. The guy typically only criticizes and never offers answers...does he actually put forth answers in that book?

This was never about how Puerto Ricans feel. Thats a whole different argument which could take a BUNCH of pages to cover. Very interesting subject, by the way. I have ambitions about writing a book about it in the future.

Puke, this started because of NUKE's ignorance on PR geography and politics. He didnt even know Puerto Rico was located in America. Reason why I posted a map.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #53 on:** April 20, 2003, 10:51:14 PM »

I find it hillarious how Noam Chomsky wrote a book that supposedly criticizes the attempted manufacture and shaping of public opinion. What sweet irony and hipocrisy on his part...

NUKE · « **Reply #54 on:** April 20, 2003, 11:11:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
This was never about how Puerto Ricans feel. Thats a whole different argument which could take a BUNCH of pages to cover. Very interesting subject, by the way. I have ambitions about writing a book about it in the future.

Puke, this started because of NUKE's ignorance on PR geography and politics. He didnt even know Puerto Rico was located in America. Reason why I posted a map.

I started a thread "Americans receive only limited and biased news" You don't have to be a genuis to figure out that by saying America and Americans I meant the USA.

How many times do you hear someone say something about America and assume it means every country in the continent?

When people say America, they usualy mean the USA. I believe when you turn on the news and see stories regarding the Americans in Iraq or the Americans in any story, you can be sure they are talking about the USA.

Puerto Rico is located in the Americas. To say PR is in America ( using the commonly understood and used meaning of the word America) is not correct.

I should have titled the thread " US Citizens Living in the 50 US states and DC receive only limited and biased news" These are the people I was refering to.

Animal · « **Reply #55 on:** April 20, 2003, 11:20:24 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE

When people say America, they usualy mean the USA. I believe when you turn on the news and see stories regarding the Americans in Iraq or the Americans in any story, you can be sure they are talking about the USA.

Wow really? Then three of my friends who are currently in Iraq sporting US ARMY uniforms are not Americans? I gotta call them and tell them they are being cheated, yo!

And all your bull**** was moot in the first place. I think I posted that my cable company is ADELPHIA, same provider for Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and California. And maybe more states.

Exact same digital box.
Exact same channels.
Exact same internet connection.

So tell me, how can you get more, better news than I can?

As I posted in my initial post, when I was in the Dominican Republic, they had THE EXACT SAME NEWS CHANNELS WE HAVE, plus Spanish, French, Middle Eastern and Mediterranean news. Some of those channels where crap, but some where VERY good, specially the Spanish channel, which aired news and images hours before they first appeared on CNN (which I suspect seeks aproval from the US .gov before airing any kind of news)

Simple math would tell you they get more news than the average american.

NUKE · « **Reply #56 on:** April 20, 2003, 11:41:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Animal
Wow really? Then three of my friends who are currently in Iraq sporting US ARMY uniforms are not Americans? I gotta call them and tell them they are being cheated, yo!

And all your bull**** was moot in the first place. I think I posted that my cable company is ADELPHIA, same provider for Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and California. And maybe more states.

Exact same digital box.
Exact same channels.
Exact same internet connection.

So tell me, how can you get more, better news than I can?

As I posted in my initial post, when I was in the Dominican Republic, they had THE EXACT SAME NEWS CHANNELS WE HAVE, plus Spanish, French, Middle Eastern and Mediterranean news. Some of those channels where crap, but some where VERY good, specially the Spanish channel, which aired news and images hours before they first appeared on CNN (which I suspect seeks aproval from the US .gov before airing any kind of news)

Simple math would tell you they get more news than the average american.

You also said the only news could find on Adelphia was CNN, some BBC and FOX, which would seem to be a big lie. Just on my 40 channel cable I get ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CSPAN-1,CSPAN-2, two CNN channels, FOX, GRABADO, BBC plus 4 local channels news programs.

If I would get a satelite dish, I could pick up tons more news programs from around the globe, yet this doesn't even begin to put a dent in the options I have for finding news : on the internet, papers, books, telephone, and other ways.

I never said I could get more or better news than you. I said Americans probably have access to more news sources than any others and I stand by that.

You do know that America ( when I say America I dont mean every country on the continent, I mean the USA) has over 1500 tv broadcast stations plus 9000 cable stations? Do you get all those stations on Aldelphia?

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my cable company is ADELPHIA, same provider for Florida, Louisiana, Texas, and California. And maybe more states

Not sure about PR, but those states have more than just Aldelphia availible as providers

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when I was in the Dominican Republic, they had THE EXACT SAME NEWS CHANNELS WE HAVE, plus Spanish, French, Middle Eastern

Los Angeles alone has more news chanels than that. They have Spanish, Middle Eastern, Japanese, plus a lot of different Oriental channels.

Puke · « **Reply #57 on:** April 21, 2003, 12:55:19 AM »

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Very interesting subject, by the way. I have ambitions about writing a book about it in the future.

I would enjoy reading it.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #58 on:** April 21, 2003, 03:23:19 AM »

interesting #'s are how many of those radio stations are owned by clearchannel. between aol time warner, fox, and clearchannel communications our media isnt that broad. hell if rupert had his way he would own at least half of our newspapers as well.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #59 on:** April 21, 2003, 03:25:36 AM »

Who would own radio stations if not corporations? What do you want, communes?