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Offline Dago

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« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2003, 12:48:13 PM »
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*sigh* ... What ... is ... the ... purpose ... of ... you ... being ... in ... Iraq?


What was the purpose of you going to Bosnia-Herzegovina?

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I fought for the UN in Bosnia-Herzegovina.


Did the Serbs attack Norway? Musta missed that on the news shows I watched.

GScholz, reading your constant and consistant anti-USA, anti-military posts I no longer believe you to be a former soldier, rather I shall go on the assumption you are just another "voss".  Remember him?  Claimed to be many things, CIA agent, F16 pilot etc..  

I think someone who has actually experienced combat would show more understanding and less rush to judgement of soldiers in a foreign and hostile land.  You have no more information about the situation there than anyone else who has to rely on news organizations.  

Why are we in Iraq?  You aren't very clear on your question as to why we went in or why we are still there.  Either question should have an easily apparent answer to anyone who pays at least a little attention.  It's a shame you must be limited in your powers of observation and deduction that you can't figure it out.

From now on if and when I choose to respond to any of your bile laden posts, I will respond to you as GScholz-(Voss).  I hope others will do the same.  Trying to steal the credibility of those who have been to war is a terrible thing to do.

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« Reply #31 on: April 29, 2003, 02:08:57 PM »
The Iraqis are owned..they will get the message.
Being owned by another muslim at least they know how to deal with each other.
Putting western sensibilities in there just confuses the issue.

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« Reply #32 on: April 29, 2003, 03:03:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Hortlund
I'll say the same thing as I usually end up saying in the Israel-threads.

Dont throw stuff on armed soldiers.

Stay inside. If you cannot stay inside and you meet armed soldiers outside, be polite.

Do not pick up rocks, chairs, small pieces of wood, dead animals or whatever to throw at the soldiers. It is not smart. It does not fill any purpose and the soldiers have helmets.

Do not join any demonstration.

If you absolutely MUST join some demonstration, make sure everybody knows about the "dont throw anything at the nervous guys with guns"-rule.

See the soldiers will be outnumbered and scared. They will have one method and one method only to defend themselves...their weapons.

If you are in a demonstration and you hear vile anti-western democratic country-chants. Try to sneak away. If you see people pick up rocks, chairs, small pieces of wood or dead animals, run away. Run far away.

If shooting starts, lay down. Do not try to run away from the bullets, they are faster than you.

If you fail these simple advice...YOU are to blame for whatever happens next.


Absolutely correct. We invaded them to give them the freedom to stay inside so they don't get shot. Makes perfect sense.

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« Reply #33 on: April 29, 2003, 03:06:03 PM »
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Originally posted by SLO
Children.....tst tst.

I really hope there where guns in the crowd.....

at least you can justify said action.....

but I heard that they did have guns among the gathered....

as usual there denying.....

denial....

ain't that a special AMERICAN word:D

now ya gave it to the Iraqis.....:p


No guns in the crowd, but there was a newsman and a car full of women and children. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #34 on: April 29, 2003, 03:41:29 PM »
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What is it about being Arab that so obviously seems to predispose one to being an idiot?


What about Bloody Sunday? Or are all Paddys idiots too?
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« Reply #35 on: April 29, 2003, 04:14:41 PM »
13 dead, 6 of them children, 75 wounded.

Bet they were all Saddam friends.

We'll see more of this :(



Regards Blitz




btw The worst possible scenario: One country alone rules the world



America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous

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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2003, 04:16:57 PM »
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13 dead, 6 of them children, 75 wounded.

Bet they were all Saddam friends.

We'll see more of this :(



Regards Blitz



 


I hope so.

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2003, 04:21:22 PM »
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Shooting into an unarmed crowd is usually justified .....even if simply in reaction to someone in the crowd sticking their tongue at our boys. Our troops don't need any crap from crowds.
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they weren't unarmed. they had rocks.
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lordy...

Nuke, why are the US in Iraq?


*sigh* ... What ... is ... the ... purpose ... of ... you ... being ... in ... Iraq?
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What was the purpose of you going to Bosnia-Herzegovina?


In 1995, NATO drove Serb forces back to the Serbian border, as per agreement Slobo refused to comply with...

Now back to the question... What is the reason for the Anglo/American invasion, overthrow and occupation of Iraq?

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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2003, 04:24:07 PM »
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Originally posted by 10Bears
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lordy...

Nuke, why are the US in Iraq?


*sigh* ... What ... is ... the ... purpose ... of ... you ... being ... in ... Iraq?
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What was the purpose of you going to Bosnia-Herzegovina?


In 1995, NATO drove Serb forces back to the Serbian border, as per agreement Slobo refused to comply with...

Now back to the question... What is the reason for the Anglo/American invasion, overthrow and occupation of Iraq?



shhhhh, we're killing babies, stealing the oil, and trying to piss off the French

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2003, 04:31:31 PM »
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And Dowding - I cant help to notice that its usually the Americans taking the prisoners - not the British - so lets not go pointing the humanitarian stick, mmmmkay?
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Explain.


What he means is the Brit forces (and Aussies and Kiwis) are better shots, and use far more efficient and deadly weapons. Hence the lower POW rate :)

Plus its kinda well known in military circles that the SAS (Brit, Aussie, and Kiwi) only take prisoners when its part of the mission objective. Dunno bout US Spec Forces but I'd assume its the same.

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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2003, 04:32:26 PM »
I completely agree with you.

You are ugly.:D

J/K.

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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2003, 04:36:37 PM »
GScholz they don't allow pot smoking in the  Norwegian air force..

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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2003, 04:38:42 PM »
I knew G. was a girl!

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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2003, 07:19:57 PM »
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 Al-Jazeera says US troops, occupying a school, opened fire on men, women and children, when rocks were thrown at them. The protestors, according to this source say the people were protesting the US presence at the school, as they wanted classes to resume.

The US military says they were fired on by infiltrators of the group, uding AK-47s, at whom they returned fire.

Of course, Al_jazeera interviews the women and children in the hospital who were just minding their own business when the big bad US Army starting shooting for laughs.

Welcome to the middle-east america...

The media will always show the kid in the hospital and not the soldier with the brick on his head.
On the other hand, soldiers will always use excessive force.

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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2003, 12:19:43 AM »
GScholz, you say you try not to rush to judgement, but that is exactly what you are guilty of.  The story about American troops shooting the protestors isnt even a few hours old and already you are passing judgement.  

You seem to think that the US troops should not have returned fire, but you havent said what exactly you think they should have done.  If  you were in the Army, in a hostile area, and someone is shooting at you and your fellow troops, what would you do? Hide behind a rock so they dont get the idea you are a mean person?

Do you or anyone else really believe that the US should have immediatly pulled out of Iraq and left them to their own devices?  With no government, with widespread looting, no water being pumped to the citizens, no electricity on, no schools operating, desperatly short of hospital facilities and hospital supplies, and every swinging Abdul, Muhammed and Ahmed carrying an automatic weapon, do you really think we should just walk away????

If you think that, then you are the moron.

Its easy to pretend everything will just be okay. Its easy to point to the US and say "bad, bad, bad", its quite another to actually consider all the consequences of actions you might at first thought think correct.  Are the demonstrations actually expressing the feelings of all the Iraqi people?  Of course you couldn't know that.  Have ****e Muslim Clerics or plants moved over from Iran to enflame the masses and push to have the USA leave Iraq so they can set up a ****e Islamic government identical to the one in Iran?  Would this bring prosperity and peace for all in Iraq?

Those of you asking why we are there must have the answers.  I am anxioux to hear from you scholars of international affairs, and oh btw, please include a brief sig with your degrees and experience in these areas, I am sure they must exceed those of the British and US personel who are actually working to restore services and help establish the opportunity for all the Iraqi people to have some sort of say in their own futures.

Whether you stupid shxts realize it or not, the world, including your little corner of it, is probably much safer today than it was 2 months ago, and much safer than 18 months ago because of the actions of the USA.  You seem to want to make the assumption that nothing bad will ever happen if we leave things alone.  Surely you must feel that all the leaders of all the countries of the world would not ever do anything, allow anything, or even support anything bad to happen.  Surely there are no evil intentions, no hatred, no jealousy, corruption or greed that will cause evil to happen.

GScholz, I do not know if you were in the Army, I do not know if you saw any combat.  I may have insulted you, I may have not shown you the credit you may deserve.  I can live with that, and I can do so because I honestly do not think you speak as a person who has seen and experienced combat.  That is my opinion, right or wrong.

Your rush to judgement, your finding fault with the US military for situations you are not in, and truthfully do not have alot of knowledge about, other than that reported by typically slanted press do not speak of a person who understands the confusion, fear and camraderie of combat.

This will be my last post in this thread, enough bad feelings and anger have resulted both from me reading the things said, and from the things I have said. Nothing has been accomplished.

dago
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