Author Topic: Plane choice. Why? (Read 4877 times)

GScholz · « **Reply #135 on:** May 09, 2003, 07:06:53 PM »

Lazs, you are correct about AH's gunnery being modelled correctlly from a ballistics/damage POV. However AH does not simulate buffeting, turbulence, wingtip vortices, propwash, barrel overheat/wear and jamming (both factors in firing long bursts), and other R/L factors that made gunnery very difficult. See some of the LW guncam footage posted on the BBS and notice how the LW pilots are having difficulties hitting B-17's from a dead-six position. All the propwash and turbulence making their fighters bob up and down and sway sideways.

AH's flight model seems quite accurate when considering a stable (one direction steady wind) standard atmosphere, but dogfighting was a lot less "stable" experience.

LUPO · « **Reply #136 on:** May 09, 2003, 07:12:06 PM »

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Lazs, think on this: Real world ACM in WW1/2 were designed to deffend from and attack to closer than 300 yards enemies. Here, the "deadly cone" extends from 600 yards to 900 yards, so, rules are very different and much more relaxed for the "turning" planes. The "extend" capability of the non-agile planes now cant counteract the longer time that the agile plane can keep at their six with high chances of scoring hits. We are getting kills over and over at sidewinder range.

IMHO Mandoble is right. Overmodelled range and effect of gunnery makes things a little easier for "turning" planes.

Thorns · « **Reply #137 on:** May 09, 2003, 10:31:37 PM »

P-51D "Moonbeam McSWINE" is a most lovely scantily clad lady....I like the no paint, but highly buffed look........I never get tired of flying the pony, hearing the merlin, and the in dash cd player is great! Just love fighting 109's and 190's listening to the Doors, or Buddy Guy! On long bomber escorts, I listen to Dire Straits!

Thorns

lazs2 · « **Reply #138 on:** May 10, 2003, 08:19:00 AM »

hmm... seems that lack of prop wash and buffeting helps the High speed non turners more than the turners... the planes that turn all use deflection shots while the high speed clumsy ones use ded six shooting. But... if it makes you happy to feel you are overcoming some sort of dissadvantage.... If they modeled some sort of prop wash it would affect you more than me... and... how much prop wash is there from a single engin plane 500 yards in front of you? gun cam footage of .50 cal planes I have seen is very steady, especially in deflection shooting...
lazs

Hooligan · « **Reply #139 on:** May 10, 2003, 12:13:10 PM »

It is idiotic to think that real life gunnery skills of novice shooters (i.e. most combat pilots) would be comparable to sim gunnery skills of players who had tens of thousands of in-game shooting opportunities. Kind of like saying that competetive skeet shooters can't be authentic because they don't shoot like a novice duck hunter on his fourth time out. If you think that highly skilled player gunnery is evil then you should have quit the game after your 50th kill because you had acquired an unrealistic amount of practice.

Hooligan

Glasses · « **Reply #140 on:** May 10, 2003, 01:05:44 PM »

Because Kurt Tank built it.

Widewing · « **Reply #141 on:** May 10, 2003, 01:50:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Thorns
P-51D "Moonbeam McSWINE" is a most lovely scantily clad lady....I like the no paint, but highly buffed look........I never get tired of flying the pony, hearing the merlin, and the in dash cd player is great! Just love fighting 109's and 190's listening to the Doors, or Buddy Guy! On long bomber escorts, I listen to Dire Straits!

Thorns

Vlado Lenoch's "Moonbean McSwine"?

Widewing

Thorns · « **Reply #142 on:** May 10, 2003, 04:09:20 PM »

Vlado Lenoch's "Moonbean McSwine"?

Yes...He owns a P-51D restored in 1976 like the blue nosed original.

"Moonbeam McSwine" s/n 44-14237 was named and flown by Captain William T. Whisner of the 487th FS, 352nd FG, and he was among lots of great company. God bless them all.

Thorns

Hammy · « **Reply #143 on:** May 10, 2003, 05:21:10 PM »

spit 5 for base defence
spit 9/P38 for killing GV`s
la7 for chasing P51`s and run90`s

Spit 9 is the best all round plane in my opinion but thats only MY opinion!

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #144 on:** May 10, 2003, 06:55:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Hooligan
It is idiotic to think that real life gunnery skills of novice shooters (i.e. most combat pilots) would be comparable to sim gunnery skills of players who had tens of thousands of in-game shooting opportunities.

It is idiotic, retarded and stupid to think that our actual simulation environment simulates, even remotely, the shooting environment of WWII aces with more than 200 kills. Any real life novice would be almost a snipper compared to any of us.

Urchin · « **Reply #145 on:** May 10, 2003, 09:58:42 PM »

Depends. I think I'd be a much better shot than a real life WW2 ace shooting in AH for the first time.

He'd undoubtedly be much better than me in real life.

PvtPyls · « **Reply #146 on:** May 10, 2003, 10:33:25 PM »

190a5 is my plane of choice. I think it's a challenging plane to fly while not being too useless.

lazs2 · « **Reply #147 on:** May 11, 2003, 08:54:52 AM »

ah... so the gunnery thing is basicly just another LW whine? "sure our planes can't turn and most ma combat is low and yes our cannon was weaker than everyone elses but..."
lazs

Suave · « **Reply #148 on:** May 11, 2003, 11:20:44 AM »

It's Mandoble, what did you expect ? He thinks it would be more realistic if browning 50cal bullets, and hispano 20mm shells would just vanish and disappear at 650meters, ya know, like in real life .

GScholz · « **Reply #149 on:** May 11, 2003, 02:25:34 PM »

Two second burst ... one second bursts ... don't really matter to me. I'll gnaw off your tail or wingtip with my teeth if I have to.