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Offline GrimCO

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« on: May 03, 2003, 09:46:15 AM »
As an avid amateur astronomer/physics geek, Einstein has always been one of my heroes. I found this article interesting. Pretty funny how the human mind works sometimes...

Anyway, here's the link for any of you who are interested in such things...

http://home.att.net/~ascaris1/genius.html

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2003, 06:32:19 PM »
neato

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2003, 09:19:54 PM »
I must be a low-functioning autistic.  I spend all my time thinking about women's boobs.

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2003, 11:53:23 PM »
That is a very interesting article.  It has given me a lot to think about, as it describes me to a T (except for being as smart as Einstein).  We have been trying to diagnose my disorder for years; it never occurred to us that I could be autistic.

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2003, 07:38:57 AM »
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Originally posted by Makofan
That is a very interesting article.  It has given me a lot to think about, as it describes me to a T (except for being as smart as Einstein).  We have been trying to diagnose my disorder for years; it never occurred to us that I could be autistic.


Makofan,

Maybe you could talk to a doctor who specializes in that area, or even contact the person that wrote that article. I know nothing about autism in particular, I just stumbled across the article while reading about Einstein.  I know it would be quite a relief to finally find out what's been troubling you all these years. Best of luck to you.

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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2003, 08:09:08 AM »
Hmm... While not knowing much at all about the subject, Makofan, (nor your situation)... I thought you might want to look into what's called Asperger's Syndrome. It's considered the cousin of autism... The reason I mention it is that this all reminded me of an absolutely mind-blowing article I read in Harper's magazine last year.

And.... cool... I found it posted on the net. If you (or anyone) has the time, I highly recommend giving this a read. An incredible story...
 The boy who loved transit: how the system failed an obsession.

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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2003, 08:20:54 AM »
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Hmm... While not knowing much at all about the subject, Makofan, (nor your situation)... I thought you might want to look into what's called Asperger's Syndrome. It's considered the cousin of autism... The reason I mention it is that this all reminded me of an absolutely mind-blowing article I read in Harper's magazine last year.


Nash good point. I believe they were saying that Einstein had this very form of autism. Asperger's that is...

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2003, 03:21:52 PM »
I read up on Asperger's after reading that article.

All I can say is..WOW.

Its amazing thats almost exactly what I have.

When I was very young (3-4yrs) my parents and even some doctors thought I was autistic since I didnt talk or socialize with nobody. Then they bought me a dog and I couldnt shut my yap talking to the dog (apparently I started talking 'socializing' a few months after we got the dog).

One of the thing that I can't get into or handle is small talk. This has led me into having less than 3 friends throught my entire life. Put me a subject and i can talk your ear off, but start a conversation about irrelevant crap like the weather or what I did yesterday, or about the color of a t-shirt the girl across the street has... I mean, WTF?)

I dont, however, obsess over things (heck im uberdisorganized, careless and carefree. Just dont fuk with my DSL connection ;) )

Heck, just look at this passage :

"Individuals with AS can exhibit a variety of characteristics and the disorder can range from mild to severe. Persons with AS show marked deficiencies in social skills, have difficulties with transitions or changes and prefer sameness. They often have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest. They have a great deal of difficulty reading nonverbal cues (body language) and very often the individual with AS has difficulty determining proper body space. Often overly sensitive to sounds, tastes, smells, and sights, the person with AS may prefer soft clothing, certain foods, and be bothered by sounds or lights no one else seems to hear or see. It's important to remember that the person with AS perceives the world very differently. Therefore, many behaviors that seem odd or unusual are due to those neurological differences and not the result of intentional rudeness or bad behavior, and most certainly not the result of "improper parenting".

By definition, those with AS have a normal IQ and many individuals (although not all), exhibit exceptional skill or talent in a specific area. Because of their high degree of functionality and their naiveté, those with AS are often viewed as eccentric or odd and can easily become victims of teasing and bullying. While language development seems, on the surface, normal, individuals with AS often have deficits in pragmatics and prosody. Vocabularies may be extraordinarily rich and some children sound like "little professors." However, persons with AS can be extremely literal and have difficulty using language in a social context."

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/

All the above literally applies to ME except the 'They often have obsessive routines and may be preoccupied with a particular subject of interest.' part.

unbelievable. !

Thanks for the link!

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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2003, 03:53:31 PM »
No problem OIO,

I just originally posted the link because I'm an avid reader about Einstein and his theories.

Glad it wound up helping a couple of people!  I guess I'm good for something after all! LOL

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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2003, 04:32:45 PM »
There are, of course, many other reasons to exhibit this behaviour besides having Autism (sp).

A couple of other possiblities are simply being anti-social and/or less than well adjusted (read maladjusted), drug use (especially Marijuana), etc


btw Grim, great story!

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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2003, 04:34:21 PM »
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There are, of course, many other reasons to exhibit this behaviour besides having Autism (sp).

A couple of other possiblities are simply being anti-social and/or less than well adjusted (read maladjusted), drug use (especially Marijuana), etc


Don't forget a child could have been dropped on his head too. Geez...

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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2003, 04:35:15 PM »
My son Daniel was diagnosed with AS.  The description above fits him to a tee.  He has an IQ approaching 130, but can't read another person's face or body language with a 9-meter telescope.  Very frustrating to us as parents, but we love him just the same.  He's 14 now and stuggling to try to prepare for re-entry into public school.  My wife and I have to constantly remind ourselves that Dan is "wired" different.

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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2003, 04:36:56 PM »
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Don't forget a child could have been dropped on his head too. Geez...
now you're describing me !

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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2003, 04:40:34 PM »
Hey there Sabre,

I can't really imagine how I'd deal with that myself. Your son has the IQ of a genius. Do you let him go his own way? Or do you try to treat the social disorder part of it and take a chance of hampering something he might accomplish in the future.

Tough decisions...

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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2003, 05:22:14 PM »
This may be a stupid suggestion/question, but has he ever had a dog?

BTW, my name is Daniel too.

Coolest name ever!