Author Topic: Su37 vs F22 (Read 1118 times)

scooby · « **on:** May 03, 2003, 12:59:57 PM »

i was watching a program the other day and they said that the F22 was more Maneuverable than the SU37...
i was under the impression that the F22 was a better all round fighter, but the SU37 had better maneuverability....
which one has better maneuverability?

Animal · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:05:02 PM »

On paper the Su37 should be more maneuverable than the F-22. A close guns furball between those two should be quite a show. It would definetly depend on the pilot cause the F-22 can do some nice maneuvers too.

But in the real would the F-22 would kill the flanker before the pilot even knew there was a raptor around.

scooby · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:06:20 PM »

ok, ya, i figurd that the SU37 would be mroe maneuverable tho, plus i read somewhere that it was..
i mean it' has thrust vectoring on both engines right?
and they can go in opposite directions..or am i thinking a different plane?

Animal · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:12:29 PM »

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Originally posted by scooby
ok, ya, i figurd that the SU37 would be mroe maneuverable tho, plus i read somewhere that it was..
i mean it' has thrust vectoring on both engines right?
and they can go in opposite directions..or am i thinking a different plane?

Yes thats the Su37... and the F-22 also does thrust vectoring, just not to the extreme degrees the flanker can.

Dago · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2003, 01:45:53 PM »

I doubt that it really matter anymore does it? Todays missles are standoff weapons and it would be quite a surprise to see two opposing fighters get that close.

dago

funkedup · « **Reply #5 on:** May 03, 2003, 03:18:04 PM »

I've seen some footage of the F-22 doing high angle of attack thrust vectoring maneuvers that were incredible. When these things start doing airshows you are not going to believe it.

Dnil · « **Reply #6 on:** May 03, 2003, 04:54:20 PM »

plus russian equipment has been shown to be so effective.

This russian equipment stuff is a myth, it sucks. Even when used by russians, it sucks.

They steamrolled through afghanistan with it .

they steamrolled through chechnya with it.

Its the walmart gear of the defense world.

Fishu · « **Reply #7 on:** May 03, 2003, 05:27:49 PM »

Dnil,

To my knowledge Russians didn't use first class technology in cheznya.

Besides the wars against guerrilla forces are very different from the conventional wars between armies.

Like some might've noticed some examples of it in the recent Iraq war, although nothing comparable to afganistan or cheznya.
People were far more motivated against russians than americans in Iraq - where Iraq's own armies fled from saddams rule :>

If you want an example how it works against US, just look at the Vietnam war - how much good did the US technology do there?
There was a blend of guerrilla war and typical war armies vs armies.

Russians do have some impressive systems designed, that US doesn't, but does the goverment have money and will to utilize it to an extent that US does?

So far russian stuff has been more into simplificy (reliability) and lesser prices.
Where as US does everything opposed to that :>

AKIron · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2003, 06:29:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
If you want an example how it works against US, just look at the Vietnam war - how much good did the US technology do there?

You're right about the Russians beating us in Vietnam, but not militarily as you suggest. It was commie infiltration and subversion that created the anti-war hippie generation. That's why we lost that one.

Tongue-only-half-in-cheek.

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2003, 06:46:22 PM »

The russians could have crushed the chechens into oblivion but they are being held back by the UN and says that crushing them to oblivion is "an act of war crime"

Fishu · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2003, 07:12:53 PM »

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Originally posted by AKIron
You're right about the Russians beating us in Vietnam, but not militarily as you suggest. It was commie infiltration and subversion that created the anti-war hippie generation. That's why we lost that one.

Tongue-only-half-in-cheek.

Russians?

I'm not talking about russians there.
Its a pure example of that how technology becomes different issue under such circumstances like in vietnam, cheznya and afganistan, when people are less welcoming the foreign forces.

AKIron · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2003, 07:20:25 PM »

My misunderstanding then Fishu, although you did use "Russians" in almost every sentence of your post. And of course the Vietnamese were supplied with Russian hardware and advice.

NUKE · « **Reply #12 on:** May 03, 2003, 07:47:26 PM »

The F-22 is already 13 years old with development begining in 1981.

I have heard that we have a few different supposedly super-secret, hypersonic air breathing fighter and bomber prototypes capable of reaching space.

Makes you wonder what these fighters and bombers and their missions will be like in 20 years time. Everything is changing so rapidly now. I feel that not many countries will be able to keep up with the the US in military hardware, technology or defence spending.

Dnil · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2003, 07:48:41 PM »

woohooo look at the commie lovers come outa the wood work on that one.......

I kinda like this

NUKE · « **Reply #14 on:** May 03, 2003, 08:04:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
woohooo look at the commie lovers come outa the wood work on that one....... I kinda like this

If the commies don't want to hear it from me, they can find it on Pravda, circa 2002

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/11/05/39145.html

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Secret American Space Planes to Dominate Planet Earth

The USA has been working on secret, new-generation space planes

The Americans invented a new aircraft, which is almost like a rocket. The new plane was invented by American defense scientists with an eye towards the future

Here, we are talking about totally new kinds of aircraft

In other words, America is working on the first ever space army, which would provide the United States with complete domination in near-Earth orbit. It will not be possible for any anti-missile defense complexes to hit such planes, as they will be completely out of reach. The American space army will be able to hit any target on planet Earth at any moment.

I doubt that Russia is ready to fight with these American space planes

I happened to read about these planes in a recent Popular Science magazine.

There is not much hope for any country keeping up the the US IMO.

forgot my fav quote :

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Soviet engineers tried to challenge the Americans and designed a unique aircraft called the Buran. Unfortunately, the aircraft proved to be unsuccessful, and competition with the USA failed

yeah, that Buran was sure unique alright....a totally new looking craft that amazed everyone with it's awesome creative design