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Offline Hawklore

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« on: May 05, 2003, 07:31:06 AM »
One of my friends reminded me of the "Wing" that german stealth like looking bomber.


Anyone got any info on that?
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« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2003, 09:50:55 AM »
take your pick http://www.luft46.com/horten/horten.html

you are probably thinking of this tho: Ho229

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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2003, 09:57:13 AM »
It`s the Horten 229 I guess...

http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mr229-3.jpg

I believe there was actually a test flight with it (the above is rendered of course).
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« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2003, 10:05:28 AM »
Make yer own:

http://www.paperang.com/

Gatso
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« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2003, 12:50:21 PM »
yah this is actually the one that the US baised the Stealth bomber on and essentually this is the plane that they originally used to help them develop the technology. It had a way low profile in radar.
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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2003, 01:10:48 PM »
heheheh luftfobes wishes;)

It was only 2-3 prototype gliders, never fly with engine
and was much smaller then on this picture.
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« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2003, 01:15:09 PM »
No, I am serious the History channel had a show on it. It said that the US got the blue prints for the plane, built one in late 45 and flew it for 3 trial runs then brought it back out of the hanger in the 70's to help them design the stealth bomber.
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« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2003, 01:22:32 PM »
(shrugs) well just reporting what I saw.....

I study WWII aircraft not modern (at all) to tell you the truth......
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« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2003, 02:28:34 PM »
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Originally posted by ramzey
heheheh luftfobes wishes;)

It was only 2-3 prototype gliders, never fly with engine
and was much smaller then on this picture.


Ho229 did fly under its own power late in the war...
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« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2003, 02:38:17 PM »
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NOD2000, the History Channel shows are 80% sensational and more often than not lack sound facts.   If you want to know where the basis for the B2 and stealth aircraft is go look up (use Google) Jack Northrop and his aircraft designs.


I might be wrong... But I had read that Jack Northrop develop his flying wing from the study of gliders that Germany Designs used before the war.
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« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2003, 03:30:48 PM »
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Originally posted by Oedipus
http://northrop.host.sk/index.htm
 
 You might want to "study" some more. :)   Note the MX324, P-56, P-79 and B-35 aircraft.  These were not just late war, fantastical wishy-washy scribblings hurriedly done on some Lieberstrasse Cafe' napkin ;)  Check out up the development dates and if you want to study more look into when Jack Northrop started developing his flying wing ideas.

 However,  to meet some people half way I wil agree that there is a lot of resemblence to the FW-190. And of course that would mean Kurt Tank should be thanked for the B2 and modern stealth technology ;)


Yep.  Go look at a Northrop N9-M and you will see the true origin of the B-2 design.
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« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2003, 03:51:18 PM »
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I might be wrong... But I had read that Jack Northrop develop his flying wing from the study of gliders that Germany Designs used before the war.


Lippisch had a glider in 1927, Lippisch and Northrop had powered flying wings in 1929.  The Horten brothers didn't start flying gliders until 1933.
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« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2003, 06:01:00 PM »
sorry, I stick to WWII. IE Willy mescher****, Georing (the fat one), Kurt tank, and people like pilots like Dolittle and Zeamer.

I don't even bother with stuff post WWII..........

just something saw on a show
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« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2003, 06:58:29 PM »
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Originally posted by funkedup
Lippisch had a glider in 1927, Lippisch and Northrop had powered flying wings in 1929.  The Horten brothers didn't start flying gliders until 1933.


I used to have a book called 'last talons of the eagle' if i remember correctly the Horten brothers were making flying wings earlier than that, but for another company.  They started making their own later.

I may be mistaken, ill try to find it
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2003, 11:00:17 PM »
Hi Nod,

>sorry, I stick to WWII. IE Willy mescher****, Georing (the fat one), Kurt tank, and people like pilots like Dolittle and Zeamer.

The true core about this might be that the Horten flying wings were aerodynamically ahead of their time in 1945, and Northrop may have benefitted from that even if he didn't get the original idea from the Hortens.

With regard to stealth, there is no doubt that the Germans were aware of RAM technology in WW2. However, contemporary radars (especially the early warning radars) weren't particularly capable, so it didn't take much to hide an aircraft that by modern standards wouldn't be considered "stealthy" at all :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)
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