Author Topic: F4U Ammo load (Read 1346 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #15 on:** May 09, 2003, 11:12:12 PM »

Hmmmm ..... one of these days we need to do the online carrier quals (with LSOs) like I been sayin' we do all along, skipper. Hehe ... wacky fun.

Ok ... There's gotta be quite a few Corsair fanatics here. If you're unaffiliated and you lean more Navy than Marine ... come fly with VF-17 and see if you like it. If you lean more Marine, then there's other outfits like VMF-222 (and others) that are dedicated F4U squads. And if other F4U squads are interested, let's hook up and do some combined ops - whether it be the wacky fun carrier quals or something that entails fighting the enemy.

Ahem .... ok .... advertisement over.

Yes, all good, make it so.

MwXX · « **Reply #16 on:** May 09, 2003, 11:37:51 PM »

gotten D model 100% 2k bombs, full rockets...has to be taken off manual...full flaps...full throttle with wep......she will look like she going to hit the water...but gently back on the stick "fighting rudder stall" at the same time.....and she will come off easy.....

love the D......just letting u know it can be done....

Reschke · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2003, 08:12:36 AM »

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Originally posted by MwXX
gotten D model 100% 2k bombs, full rockets...has to be taken off manual...full flaps...full throttle with wep......she will look like she going to hit the water...but gently back on the stick "fighting rudder stall" at the same time.....and she will come off easy.....

love the D......just letting u know it can be done....

Like I said above its me and me alone. I can land the thing all day long on CV's and take off with a full loadout. BUT I have said it before there is something seriously wrong with the -1D it is the only one that I have to fly <3 feet off the water to get airborne. Hell I have "flown" all the other F4U's off CV's with no issues. I still think it is underpowered or something along those lines. And I love flying the bird for the amount of ordinance that you can get on target and still survive the A2A as well.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 10, 2003, 04:07:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Reschke
Like I said above its me and me alone. I can land the thing all day long on CV's and take off with a full loadout. BUT I have said it before there is something seriously wrong with the -1D it is the only one that I have to fly <3 feet off the water to get airborne. Hell I have "flown" all the other F4U's off CV's with no issues. I still think it is underpowered or something along those lines. And I love flying the bird for the amount of ordinance that you can get on target and still survive the A2A as well.

No No No.....

No wep and definitely not full flaps.. Power engine up, manual trim right rudder 6 degrees. Drop one notch of flaps, and firm right rudder, but not enough to yaw down the deck. FORWARD Stick to get the tail up, then ease off rudder. raise gear and wheels up...ride the stall horn, works every time...

This is from the USN literature..and the VF27 Hellcats have CQ's before we sign on new guys...

Arlo, email me at corsair_pilot_mn@yahoo.com. I'd wing up with you guys if you want, from time to time.

Gainsie

F4UDOA · « **Reply #19 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:07:32 AM »

RedTail,

I still don't like the way the F4U falls of the deck.

I don't think I have ever seen that in any carrier film footage. Even Billy Mitchells B-25's were climbing at the end of the deck.

BTW. Back to the ammo load.

Just noticed that the F4U carries more total weight of ammo than the P-47 even with 8 guns.

The P-47 with 8 guns carries a max of 664LBS of .50 cal ammo. compared to the 720LBS of ammo in the F4U-1D/4 or 705LBS in the -1.

Here are some weights of ammo in US fighters.

1. F4U-1D- 720LBS .50 cal
2. P-47(any) Max 664LBS .50 cal
3. P-51D 564LBS .50 cal
4. P-38 622lbs .50 cal 92lbs 20mil. max. Normal load 249LBS .50 cal and 92lbs 20 mil
5.F6F 720LBS .50cal

Hooligan · « **Reply #20 on:** May 12, 2003, 01:42:30 PM »

The lesser ammo weight for the P-47 is for "standard" ammo load i.e. 267 rounds/gun. If you choose to fly with the manly ammo overload setting (425 rounds/gun) you get correspondingly more weight.

F4U do you have any intent on scanning all of your F4U data and hosting it on a website? I would be happy to help you in this endeavor.

Hooligan

F4UDOA · « **Reply #21 on:** May 12, 2003, 02:40:32 PM »

Heya Hooligan,

That's exactly my point. The P-47 has an option for less ammo per gun. So does the P-38, FW190, P-51 and others. The f4U carries more than any of them and yet it has no alternative loadout option.

I have at least 4 seperate docs mostly on the F4U totaling over 100 pages of data I have never seen anywhere on the web.

Scanning all of it is quite the task. I don't know if I'll be able to do it soon but when I do I will certainly call on you for web space.

BTW, Most of some is British, some is AAF testing and some Navy test.

One interesting piece is a statement explaining why the early F4U-1 didn't climb the same as the early F6F.

1. The F4U-1 weight when fully loaded was 12,835LBS and the F6F was roughly 12,400LBS a difference of nearly 350LBS. Even though the F4U was lighter when empty is carried much more fuel.

2. The F6F was more efficient in cooling and could be climbed with cowl flaps closed.

The 2nd reason is very inetersting because it shows a point I have been argueing with Pyro and HT for a long time. That climb and accleration are not always equal because there are other factors that are not accounted for. Case and point the F4U and F6F.

Based on that the F4U should acclerate better than it climbs in AH. Don't you think?

HoHun · « **Reply #22 on:** May 12, 2003, 03:36:47 PM »

Hi F4UDOA,

>2. The F6F was more efficient in cooling and could be climbed with cowl flaps closed.

>The 2nd reason is very inetersting because it shows a point I have been argueing with Pyro and HT for a long time. That climb and accleration are not always equal because there are other factors that are not accounted for.

Actually, the F6F will both climb AND accelerate better with cowl flaps closed than with cowl flaps open. The difference is just that low-speed climbs can be sustained while low-speed accelerations can't - after accelerating for a while, you won't be at low speed anymore! :-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #23 on:** May 12, 2003, 03:58:32 PM »

Huh?

If the F6F climbs marginally better with cowl flaps closed than an equally loaded F4U does with clowl flaps open. Then how does it then accelerate better that the F4U when it's cowl flaps are also closed??

HoHun · « **Reply #24 on:** May 15, 2003, 05:26:34 PM »

Hi F4UDOA,

>Huh?

For the F6F, climb and acceleration are linearly related with either cowl flaps open or cowl flaps closed. They're not linearly related with cowl flaps open in one case and cowl flaps closed in the other, or vice versa. As always, you have to consider the exact flight condition.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

Arlo · « **Reply #25 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:32:16 PM »

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The difference is just that low-speed climbs can be sustained while low-speed accelerations can't - after accelerating for a while, you won't be at low speed anymore! :-)

I hope you're not trying to insinuate that climbing can be sustained indefinately.

HoHun · « **Reply #26 on:** May 15, 2003, 06:45:27 PM »

Hi Arlo,

>I hope you're not trying to insinuate that climbing can be sustained indefinately.

LOL! Actually, if you go fast enough, it can! :-)

However, you won't be able to get an F6F to the 11 km/s required for (unpropelled) interplanetary flight, regardless of cowl flap status.

Even an F4U will barely manage ;-)

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #27 on:** May 15, 2003, 07:33:47 PM »

HoHun,

I'm still not sure what you are trying to say.

However if the F6F climbs with it's cowl flaps closed then it's climb will be directly proportioned to it's acceleration.

Also if the F4U climbs with cowl flaps open then it will accelerate better than it climbs because it's drag condition is lower.

BTW, this is the opinion of the authors of the flight test as well.

Arlo · « **Reply #28 on:** May 15, 2003, 10:27:41 PM »

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Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Arlo,

>I hope you're not trying to insinuate that climbing can be sustained indefinately.

LOL! Actually, if you go fast enough, it can! :-)

However, you won't be able to get an F6F to the 11 km/s required for (unpropelled) interplanetary flight, regardless of cowl flap status.

Even an F4U will barely manage ;-)

Following that train of logic, we don't even know if the speed of light is actually a barrier to acceleration for sure. I bet a pony could get close.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #29 on:** May 16, 2003, 10:06:48 AM »

Hey F4U...I'd pay for postage if U send the data...Hell, I'll give yo umy work fax number as well...email me at corsair_pilot_mn@yahoo.com, if interested.

Gainsie