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Offline Erlkonig

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« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2003, 11:06:40 PM »
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...and by the way, the TROOPS deserved it.


LOL, the troops deserve to be campaign props in a wasteful, grandstanding stunt?

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« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2003, 11:11:34 PM »
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LOL, the troops deserve to be campaign props in a wasteful, grandstanding stunt?


The unspoken notion of the "ornamental enlisted" was one in the list of many reasons why I got out of the USN.
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« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2003, 11:18:57 PM »
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Kinda hard to fix the economy when the congress wont help ya get it done.

He should be allowed to inact his policies....if he fails vote him out. Should be allowed to do his job...if he can't do it well enough, then fire him.

The dems worst fear is a recovering economy and victories in the war against terrorism. Talk about partisan politics.


Some republicans are preventing it too. I say bring on the tax cuts! But I don't think that will prevent the economic slide. There is alot more to it than that.

Fear of an economic recovery and an end to terrorism? You've got the wrong dem my friend.

BTW, It does seem hypocritical to push for less spending and do things like the landing. We pay for that helicopter, damnit, use it!
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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2003, 12:08:31 AM »
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...and by the way, the TROOPS deserved it.


They certainly deserved the attention and the praise they've received.  They earned a visit from the Command in Chief.  They did not ask for, nor do they deserve, to serve as campaign props for Bush's or any politician's reelection campaign.

Therein lay the rub.

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2003, 12:13:50 AM »
I'm sure the troops were really mad that they will help Dubya get his second term.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2003, 12:25:32 AM »
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Kinda hard to fix the economy when the congress wont help ya get it done.
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Republicans control both Houses in Congress, so it's going to be difficult for Bush to sell that story.  I haven't yet heard Democrats threatening to filibuster a tax cut, and indeed there's no need for them to do so at this point with moderate Republicans supporting their position.

If Bush fails to fix the economy because Congress won't pass his tax cut package, responsibility will probably fall on the Republicans and especially Republican leadership in the Senate for failing to bring moderates to support the party line.  That was always a problem for Democrats when they controlled Congress, so it's interesting and unsurprising that Republicans now must also deal with it.

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He should be allowed to inact his policies....if he fails vote him out. Should be allowed to do his job...if he can't do it well enough, then fire him.
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Time to whip out that Constitution and look up the part about separation of powers and presidential vs. congressional responsibilities.  :)  If Congress is supposed to serve as a rubber stamp for presidential agendas, why even bother with a legislature at all?  Just let presidents enact their policies and then rise or fall based on their success or failure.

Thankfully it doesn't function this way, and that's exactly how Madison envisioned it when discussing government in the Federalist Papers.  Members of Congress serve different constituencies and often oppose legislation that they deem harmful to those constituents.  They're also allowed to form their own opinions about what's best for the economy without being spoonfed ideas by the presidential administration.  In short, Congress was designed as ponderous, slow, divided, and independent in order to squash poor policies meant to appeal to the cause du jour.  It's a pragmatic institution; let them do their work.

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The dems worst fear is a recovering economy and victories in the war against terrorism. Talk about partisan politics.


Tell that to the Republican senators that Karl Rove chewed out for opposing the tax cut package -- including Majority Leader Frist.  I wonder if Mr. Rove understands his place in the constitutional place of things.  Hint: Don't piss off the Majority Leader.

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2003, 12:26:36 AM »
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I'm sure the troops were really mad that they will help Dubya get his second term.  :rolleyes:


You must have missed this part:

"They did not ask for, nor do they deserve, to serve as campaign props for Bush's or any politician's reelection campaign."

It's not a Bush thing.  It's a general thing.

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2003, 12:28:09 AM »
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They certainly deserved the attention and the praise they've received.  They earned a visit from the Command in Chief.  They did not ask for, nor do they deserve, to serve as campaign props for Bush's or any politician's reelection campaign.

Therein lay the rub.
Deserve? That is completely irrelevant.

I'm trying to think of anyone that has been either a Governer or President that has not taken the same liberty with the forces they commanded.  I'd venture to say none of them.

Every visit by a President (or Governer) to the troops is to either garnish a photo op or raise the moral of the troops.  In this case I believe both were done.  Its more than I can say for most presidential visits to troops.

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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2003, 12:45:40 AM »
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You must have missed this part:

"They did not ask for, nor do they deserve, to serve as campaign props for Bush's or any politician's reelection campaign."

It's not a Bush thing.  It's a general thing.

-- Todd/Leviathn


You'd get laughed off the boat if you went on the Lincoln and told them that.

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« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2003, 01:05:38 AM »
when clinton was president guys had to be ordered to attend his speeches when he was visiting a base. never saw or heard that happen with Reagan or either Bush.

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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2003, 01:09:08 AM »
Believe it or not Funked, all service men/women are not republicans.

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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2003, 01:14:04 AM »
Orders or not, all I know is that anytime anyone ranked higher than a commodor visited the boat it pretty much sucked.

You know how many pieces of exposed brass there are on a destroyer, let alone a carrier?  All the damn buffing and painting and buttwork brass polishing would have made me resent Bush's visit regardless of what party he or I belonged to.

Hey, but maybe that's just me.  And everyone else I knew onboard.


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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2003, 01:55:46 AM »
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when clinton was president guys had to be ordered to attend his speeches when he was visiting a base. never saw or heard that happen with Reagan or either Bush.


You obviously have never been in any branch of the Military. When Brass is scheduled to arrive it is a highly orchestrated event. The POD details who will be present and what you wear.
Get off that Holy Republican Soap Box and state facts, not some twisted viewpoint.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2003, 03:02:11 AM »
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You obviously have never been in any branch of the Military. When Brass is scheduled to arrive it is a highly orchestrated event. The POD details who will be present and what you wear.
Get off that Holy Republican Soap Box and state facts, not some twisted viewpoint.


hey who said i was republican dude? goin on seventeen years as far as military goes.

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2003, 03:07:11 AM »
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Orders or not, all I know is that anytime anyone ranked higher than a commodor visited the boat it pretty much sucked.

You know how many pieces of exposed brass there are on a destroyer, let alone a carrier?  All the damn buffing and painting and buttwork brass polishing would have made me resent Bush's visit regardless of what party he or I belonged to.

Hey, but maybe that's just me.  And everyone else I knew onboard.


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different worlds for you and me. never spent time as a fleet Sailor. always had respect for the brutal hours and tedious work you guys had to deal with.