Talk about a bunch of LOSERS

[Udie]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A26902-2003May7.html



 What a bunch of whiney losers the dems in Washington are.

[vorticon]

most intellegint thing sezd on ze bord ever

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Udie
What a bunch of whiney losers the dems in Washington are.

I think they have a legitimate complaint since the Republicans admitted that they planned on using footage of Bush's landing and speech on the carrier during the presidential campaign.

Since I'm guessing that taxpayers paid for the whole event, both Republicans and Democrats, Republicans should come clean about the costs of what amounts to a de facto campaign stunt.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[john9001]

hillarys senate campaign:
in her run for the senate , hillary used the govt's 747 (air force one) many times to fly her contributers from New York to DC for over night stays at the white house, when asked about it she said it was her right as the "first lady" to use air force one as she wanted.

sen byrd, D,WV, has no room to complan about govt waste, he is the king of pork barrel spending.

[AKIron]

Whining born of desperation. They see their 2004 hopes going up in jet engine smoke.

[Sixpence]

We had a governor that used a state helicopter to get her to work cause she didn't want to drive the mass pike. I think every politician that ever lived did stuff like this. I think they consider it a right of passage. *shrugs*


BTW, it's the 3k hammers & toilets that bother me.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by john9001
hillarys senate campaign:
in her run for the senate , hillary used the govt's 747

sen byrd, D,WV, has no room to complan about govt waste, he is the king of pork barrel spending.

You aren't seriously tossing about the "they did it, so it's okay" argument, are you?  Surely you must see that inappropriate use of government funds for campaign purposes deserves disdain.

That said, you seem to have missed the point by including Senator Byrd in the mix.  As I see it, the problem isn't wasteful spending (of which there's plenty from both parties), but rather using taxpayer money to fund a de facto campaign stunt.

Honestly, how hard would it have been for Bush to land on the USS Lincoln in Marine 1?  Or for that matter, why not simply wait for the carrier to dock first?

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by AKIron
Whining born of desperation. They see their 2004 hopes going up in jet engine smoke.

Outside partisan affiliation, the state of the economy predicts vote choice best.  One ponders why the Republicans have developed a campaign strategy centered around national defense and set to begin as close to September 11th as possible.

The answer, of course, is that Republican strategists have already realized that the economy is a losing issue for them in 2004, at least at this point.  They're attempting to focus the campaign around foreign affairs and national security matters to divert attention from the economy as an issue.  That's smart of them, though I'm not sure how successfully they'll manage to do that.  And of course, the economy could well improve between now and the election, boosting Bush's prospects.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[eddiek]

"You aren't seriously tossing about the "they did it, so it's okay" argument, are you? Surely you must see that inappropriate use of government funds for campaign purposes deserves disdain."


Not taking sides here, DMF, but what I got out of his comment was something like the Biblical parable of one person worrying about the mote in his brother's eye when he himself had a beam in his own eye.
Kinda one of those deals where the ones who ain't guilty can cast the first stone, otherwise they need to be quiet and go home.
Like that Senator he was talking about.  If it was alright when he did it for President Hillary and the First Husband Billy, it is okay now.
Politicians have a VERY selective memory.......................

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by eddiek
Kinda one of those deals where the ones who ain't guilty can cast the first stone, otherwise they need to be quiet and go home.

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Plenty of politicians, Republican and Democrat, haven't abused taxpayers' trust by inappropriately spending money for campaign purposes or convenient photo opportunities.  So while Clinton perhaps should perhaps stand aside and reconsider criticisms based on past actions, there are still plenty of rank and file Democratic politicians with the right and moral authority to demand explanations.

Like that Senator he was talking about.  If it was alright when he did it for President Hillary and the First Husband Billy, it is okay now.

[/B]

Well, he was bringing up Senator Byrd not because he supported or abetted Clinton, but rather because he is a huge pork barrel spender.  From that perspective, Byrd has no right to demand that Bush justify his wasteful spending, but he certainly may demand that Bush justify his inappropriate actions.  It's pretty hard to justify a spectacular landing on an aircraft carrier (which endangered the president's life more than other possible alternatives; the Secret Service must have had a heart attack).  Doubly so when Rove basically admitted that the only reason they did it was for use in the campaign -- a taxpayer paid campaign stunt, in essence.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[Tumor]

All the Dems can do with this is put "their" spin on it.  Bush is the Commander in Chief.  And the Navy likes him.  Official Govt Travel.. or a Training Flight... or just about whatever excuse the White House OR Navy want, they can use legally.  

...and by the way, the TROOPS deserved it.

I truly hope the Democrats continue to squeak about it, just makes them look ridiculous.

[Mini D]

As compensation, maybe we should let some democrats hold up the decommisioning of a carrier so they could have their photo taken with it as its being torn apart.  Then they could use that in their campaign.

MiniD

[Gryf]

If I were president I'd try out every peice of Hardware I could. Hell you gotta know it's capabilities if you're CinC ya know

I see the trip made by the president as a blatant move to let the military know he's capable. All the folks I talk to in the service, even folks who don't really like Bush, have respect for him. Grandstanding is a glorious military tradition and they like a CinC who is capable of doing it.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Gryf
If I were president I'd try out every peice of Hardware I could. Hell you gotta know it's capabilities if you're CinC ya know

I see the trip made by the president as a blatant move to let the military know he's capable. All the folks I talk to in the service, even folks who don't really like Bush, have respect for him. Grandstanding is a glorious military tradition and they like a CinC who is capable of doing it.

You are a politician huh?

[Rude]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Outside partisan affiliation, the state of the economy predicts vote choice best.  One ponders why the Republicans have developed a campaign strategy centered around national defense and set to begin as close to September 11th as possible.

The answer, of course, is that Republican strategists have already realized that the economy is a losing issue for them in 2004, at least at this point.  They're attempting to focus the campaign around foreign affairs and national security matters to divert attention from the economy as an issue.  That's smart of them, though I'm not sure how successfully they'll manage to do that.  And of course, the economy could well improve between now and the election, boosting Bush's prospects.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Kinda hard to fix the economy when the congress wont help ya get it done.

He should be allowed to inact his policies....if he fails vote him out. Should be allowed to do his job...if he can't do it well enough, then fire him.

The dems worst fear is a recovering economy and victories in the war against terrorism. Talk about partisan politics.