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Offline Batz

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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2003, 11:35:30 AM »
with trackir the 6 view is the there. You just cant shift your torso or head to "press against the canopy" (or in some cases in ah put your head through the canopy) to see around obstructions.

The only thing I dislike are he grey specs. They stay the same size until they render. I also hate the way some planes disappear into the terrain when you play no icons.

I enjoy no icons but my eyes arent that good. Even with a 21 inch monitor.

Most hosts on hyperlobby do the external view thing but I prefer it off. The jump out the plane to check 6 is pretty bad but you can also jump to other planes.

Some of the coops I have flown matched any event or scenario I have been in. But when they are bad they are friggen terrible.

The scripted dogfight servers are ok. But you get tards like in ah that avoid fighting and go after reseting the map by bombing enemy fields.

But whats good about fb online is if 1 host sux I am not stuck with it. In AH the main sux and the CT has gone to crap.

Except for the Niemen event and the current Guadalcanal: Operation Watchtower event I wouldnt fly ah at all. I am not doing much flying in these events either being on the command staffs for both.

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« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2003, 11:48:46 AM »
Mandew, please. Like I said, Il-2 limits the 6 in a bad way, only because it doesn't compensate for torso movement in the Hat view. Its mouse and TrakIR are very realistic.

You can spin around in your chair sure, aren't leather captain chairs with ball bearing swivel bases sweet! But in a fighter, you can't  do anything but look back till your neck stops. Then add in aircraft construction frames.

Try it, you cant see but what Il-2 simulates in the mouse view. Lean, and you see my gripe with Il-2 hat switch views.

AH on the other hand, lets you linda blair your way around the gaming platform, and view what you JUST CAN'T in a real fighter. I like it too, but if it was changed to be realistic, that would be cool.

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« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2003, 11:51:05 AM »
My eyes, right now anyway ;) , are pretty good so I can see those grey dots even in Hazy conditions. I use an optical trackball mouse affixed to my joystick to act as my hat, and this gives me excellent tracking abilities. Took several months to get used to, but even in a TnB dogfight I can swivel my view around real quick and locate the target. With a lil duck tape on the edges of the area the ball sits in, I don't have any jumps in the view due to extremely quick joystick movements.

Only reason I like no icons is because I have an advantage in the vision department over some people. (Who doesn't like an advantage?!)  

Any fights that begin high I tend to push as low as possible, so I can better see aircraft moving against the terrain- multiple bogey engagements are still hard as hell with no icons, very difficult to track the one on your 6 and the one above you.

I agree with Batz, the coops are fukin great in FB... it's like having a scenario event readily available (okay, mostly in the afternoons/night EST), occasionally there's a good dogfight server.

Last night I flew 4 coops in a row, all of them were great setups with good missions (all by DR_Hangar I believe) and cool people. I dunno if they can compare to large scale events in AH, but they were definitely a whole toejamload of fun.
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« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2003, 12:18:28 PM »
I agree Il2 had some serious FM flaws. WIth 1/2 elevator and most of the vertical stabilizer shot off I could fly the 109 without any hindrance. That just doesn't seem right-at least in AH when you lose the vert stab you buy it if you try to bank the aircraft just a bit. No such thing in IL2. I haven't tried FB yet-but if it didn't address this problem yet IMO it is a piece of crap.

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« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2003, 01:24:59 PM »
I'm telling you the FM's really sux bad in FB's.  Oleg has changed the FM's more than a Schizophrenic on crack.  Look at the first verson of the FM's in Il2.  Then look at them after the  first and second patch- major changes.  Now look at the FM's after FB's and we have even more changes!  Many of the changes are for the worse!!  I hate the long load times and the studdering- I have a very high end system and I still get studdering.  CFS3 +patch and mods is much betterf than FB's.  I'm serious!  FB's is the most overrated sim ever.  I didn't even mention the uber Russian planes- hell the I16 there is like the La-7 here.  He completely porked the P-47 and now people are waiting anxiously for the P-51- no thanks.
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« Reply #50 on: May 16, 2003, 03:22:31 PM »
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I'm telling you the FM's really sux bad in FB's.  Oleg has changed the FM's more than a Schizophrenic on crack.  Look at the first verson of the FM's in Il2.  Then look at them after the  first and second patch- major changes.  Now look at the FM's after FB's and we have even more changes!  Many of the changes are for the worse!!  I hate the long load times and the studdering- I have a very high end system and I still get studdering.  CFS3 +patch and mods is much betterf than FB's.  I'm serious!  FB's is the most overrated sim ever.  I didn't even mention the uber Russian planes- hell the I16 there is like the La-7 here.  He completely porked the P-47 and now people are waiting anxiously for the P-51- no thanks.


So, expect you perfect code from version 1.0? Well, I guess, are god like coder who knows how to do perfect FM/DM in first try.

BTW When your sim is coming out?

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« Reply #51 on: May 16, 2003, 03:34:23 PM »
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I'm telling you the FM's really sux bad in FB's.  Oleg has changed the FM's more than a Schizophrenic on crack.  Look at the first verson of the FM's in Il2.  Then look at them after the  first and second patch- major changes.  Now look at the FM's after FB's and we have even more changes!  Many of the changes are for the worse!!  I hate the long load times and the studdering- I have a very high end system and I still get studdering.  CFS3 +patch and mods is much betterf than FB's.  I'm serious!  FB's is the most overrated sim ever.  I didn't even mention the uber Russian planes- hell the I16 there is like the La-7 here.  He completely porked the P-47 and now people are waiting anxiously for the P-51- no thanks.


This could be the most retarded post ever, but let the Yahoo Swingers  thread go it's due course.

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« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2003, 04:07:53 PM »
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I'm serious! FB's is the most overrated sim ever.


Perhaps the real reason for his anti-FB posts.  I just wanted peoples comments about how features in FB could make AH a better sim.  I don't think FB is overrated--look at the comments in this thread people are able to critize it and AH objectively.  We need more objective critism of the games and less hyperbole.

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« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2003, 04:17:34 PM »
Il2 has a few issues, of which are to be adressed with the upcomming patch.

I look forward to the dedicated server software that is being created for Il2 as well.

Momoney: you are an idiot.

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« Reply #54 on: May 16, 2003, 08:46:48 PM »
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You mean unreadable cockpit and hysterical engine management ? :D


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« Reply #55 on: May 16, 2003, 09:00:11 PM »
All you Sheep keeping kissing the buttox of Oleg.......its a overrated sim-and this isn't ver 1.0.  Oh ya- did I mention the Exploding P-40?
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« Reply #56 on: May 16, 2003, 09:08:25 PM »
I agree that it's overrated. FB looks like beta, not a finished product.

Btw creamo if there's no torque/gyro effects, what on earth keeps flipping me around if I pull on the stick too early on takeoff?

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« Reply #57 on: May 17, 2003, 01:38:34 AM »
The sillist thing about forgotten battles is the name. what a snively name. wha wha what. you forgot our battles

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« Reply #58 on: May 17, 2003, 02:24:32 AM »
IL2 FB a very good game.  Graphics engine is very well done.  FM imho in comparison to AH....well.......trim seems to have little if any effect in FB.  Gunnery close in comparison.  Views go tho AH hands down.

IL2FB rates high with me.  If one plays it first then logs onto AH you seem to do much better in the gunnery department.  Tried to encourage some squaddies to do some co-operative missions in FB....but not many squaddies have it.

FB is worth the money....get it.
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« Reply #59 on: May 17, 2003, 03:18:44 AM »
Most people dunno what they are talking about in regards to the FM in FB. Or FMS ingeneral

For instance you hear folks talk about their inability to reach top speed.

1st to reach the publish top speed figures you need to be at the right alt and have the right power settings. Also they fail to realize that if say they are at 3000m with the speed guage saying 400k/mh that that is IAS.

Theres an IAS/TAS conversion chart on the 2 nd FB disc. At 3000m 400IAS = 479TAS K/mh, (roughly 300mph).

People say the p47 is porked. The 1st time and only time I flew it online I had 8 kills no deaths.

Straffo thinks every french or Russian plane is porked in every game that has french and russian stuff. He complained that the French stuff in wwiiol was porked on purpose when everyone knows thats false. Now in il2 I bet he flies Russian planes and claims the CEM is biased. Well all the Russian planes in FB have a contant speed prop.  Just leave  rpm at max and even in the steepest, fastest dives or steepest, slowest climbs the russian props wont over rev. Some dont over heat. Russian rounds in that game hit harder then any type. The only prob with the russian planes is the pilot sits right against the dash so you cant read the guages

People say the i16 is to tough but I never any prob out flying them. I do believe the dm needs tweaking because they eat a ton of ammo unless you place your shots in to the eng or canopy.

The ack is bit to uber compared to il2 and the ai gunners in veteran or higher are better snipers then what we see in ah.

FB has bugs The 190s are complete dogs in terms of manuvering. They feel like the old wbs 190s with any bit of back pressure on the stick they bleed energy big time. Other planes bleed no e at all.

Heres the last AAR I posted on my squad board. I dont have the sturmlog jpg any more but 5 a2a kills no deaths, hit % was 19%.

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I enter in the only Full real room I see and its got decent numbers and a decent map. I decide to fly a g14.

I pick a second line field because I dont wanna get vulched if theres action over the front line field. I prime mw 50 and I take off NW and turn Ost. I climb to 3000m and reduce throttle to 70% and set prop pitch at 30%. Cruise speed is 300kmh IAS(@3000m = 359kmh TAS; about 225 mph)

I head Ost toward our Front Line airfield and spot ack tracers. I drop down to 2500m and accelerate to 500kmh IAS (@ 2500 582kmh TAS; about 360mph TAS). I spot a lone grey speck moving N away from airfield with the 88 flak burst tracking him. Hes about 1000m. I nose down and accellerate to 600Kmh IAS (@ 1000m 620kmh TAS; about 385mph TAS).

I am closing on him fast. I have him centered in my revi and slowly he grows larger until his wings fill out the circle. I fire a 4 round burst of 3cm. 2 hits landed. His left wing and left elevator and blown away and hes spirals in.

Kill 1.

I look back and see hi 88 flak bursts back toward the field. I goto the deck and head back west into the sun. I am hoping I am unseen so I can regrab. I get lucky as I am able to extend away and regrab NW of our front line field. I climb up to 3000m again but keep my speed about 400kmh IAS (479kmh TAS; about 300mph TAS). I turn back toward the field and see nothing.

I head Ost out toward the closest enemy Airfield. I spot 2 low dots headed west at 2000m. I slip past them and split esse onto their lo 6. I spot their profiles and see they are p39s. They are line a breast so it will be tough to get both but I line up below the 6 of the left one. I close rapidly and zoom up at his belly and fire multiple 3cm landing at least 3. He rolls over and dives into the ground.

Kill 2.

His wingman breaks hard and I dont follow him but zoom up. I loose site of him for a minute but then I spot him. He did a 180 and was running back toward his af. I drop in behind him and he barrel rolls and I shoot by turning a bit to the left and zoom. He dives down to the deck and I reverse my zoom and dive in on him again. He sees me and pulls a hard right break. I break off my dive and yoyo and roll to match his break.

Now hes out of e completely. I slip on to his 6 pop 2 notches of flaps to keep from overshooting and unload numerous 3cm into him. He promptly catches on fire and a few minutes later he explodes.

Kill 3

Then over the text channel he calls me a ***** BnZ'r. He and his wingman are coming back in el gays to teach me a lesson.

Well I am thinking this ought to be fun. Instead of reclimbing and waiting on him. I goto full throttle otd and race south of his airfield and then turn North so I am Ost of field. I then grab to 2500m. I am carefull to stay out of ack range.

Soon I see 2 specs climbing east. I imagine they wanted to grab before they turned west to "get me". I circle through some clouds until I am between them and their airfield.

They are line astern with 1 guy trailing quite a bit behind his lead. I wait for them to be far enough away from their ack and dive in on tail end charlie. I dive right at him and fire placing 3 or 4 3cm hits on his eng and canopy. Hes smoking and arcs off to the right into the ground.

Kill 4

I am hauling arse and I level and run down the leader. He doesnt even move and I  am able to zoom up underneath him and hit him numerous times with 3cm. His tail pops off and he spins into the ground.

Kill 5

Then the tard starts screaming how I cheated and "warped 30km" to kill them. He said there was no way for me to cover that distance from where I first killed both of them.

Dude went nuts I typed back "try MW50 tard" and dude was like "more like dilithium cystals" (geek check)...........

I was lmao and rtd'd and logged.......

Was a fun day


Heres a couple of tracks. The first is a k4vrs an el gay 7 double ace

http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/4JG53/films/acedeath.zip

The next is a a k4 vrs an el gay 7 ace but with icons on to show a squad the range at which I shoot at.

http://bellsouthpwp.net/w/o/wotans/4JG53/films/La7ace.zip

None of the bugs in FB are game killers and can be easily overcome by adjusting your tactics to how the planes currently fly in the game. Just like AH.

Most of these bugs will be addressed in the next patch and a bunch of new planes.

Just check the FB haters scores in ah to see the planes they fly and their K/d. They suck in AH no wonder FB is too hard for umm.

AH beats il2/FB in instant action. The only I dont play ah any more is ther pork n auger land grab game play. IMHO its just not fun.