US bans guns

[Pongo]

I am trying to keep up with this..
Then the second amendment is to protect the rights of someone who might be oppressed in the future.not the rights of someone who was oppressed in the recent past and is in danger of thier lives in the present from armed thugs..
Holden. Your being polite I suppose. But you are babbleing.  What you are saying makes no sense vs the fact that the US goverment is denying the right of an Iraqi citizen in the new free Iraq to defend himself and his family.
It doesnt make any sence anyway. If society must be armed to guerrenty its other inalliable rights..how can they be established if the country isnt armed. Logically your own statements dont make sence. Even in the absence of the violence currently rampant in Iraq.
The two postitions are ireconcialable. Talk arround it all you like. It really does just make you sound brain washed.

Empty gun
count the lies..imagine he read this speach today instead of when he was begging for war.

[Toad]

Iraq, at present, is an occupied country in an immediate post-war phase. It's a war they clearly lost.

Let's see what the rules are when they have their own government established and the occupation troops are withdrawn.

I'm willing to wager the US will not "make policy" on gun control for them after they have a government and our troops are out of the country.

[NUKE]

Pongo makes about as much sense as a brain-washed idiot could hope to.

[lord dolf vader]

he is fightin several dogma zombies at once. and winning give credit where credit is due.


the fact that he has a point and is correct notwithstanding.

[Sox62]

Originally posted by Pongo
LOL
Democrocy in Iraq evidently means a different thing than it means in America. Isnt a well armed populace a cornerstone of American Democracy?

 It's difficult to understand how you can decide what "Democracy in Iraq means" when they haven't yet set up a post war government.

Since there is NO government or real law enforcement set up yet,thugs are basically looting, carjacking, etc at will.

Unless the US makes this a permanent ban(which it won't,it will let the new Iraq government decide)your argument has little,if any merit.

[Fatty]

The US doesn't want free flowing guns because it is an occupying power, how is that irreconcilable?  It would seem to underline the NRA's point that you need to at least partially disarm a country to occupy it, would it not?  It certainly doesn't contradict it.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
And lastly, the name is Holden.  (As the name is obviously a joke, it seems futile and redundant to try to make fun of it)

That's not your real name?

[Rude]

Originally posted by Pongo
"US troops will be given orders to arrest any Iraqis who carry or sell guns, it was announced today. The move is an attempt to end the chaos caused by gangs of looters and bandits."

LOL
Democrocy in Iraq evidently means a different thing than it means in America. Isnt a well armed populace a cornerstone of American Democracy?

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Anyone who would attempt to compare Iraq in it's current state to that of the United States should have their account closed permenantly.

Does feeling that critical of the US really feel that good?

[Pongo]

What a joke.
Does it feel that good?
 To what? to point out that the second ammedment was written at a time when the US was alot different that it is now and that it was intended to stand no matter what state the US is in and that in fact is the whole point of it?
What a desperate jab that was Rude. pathetic. Does it feel so bad to hear unrefutable evidence of hypocrosy by your country?
And the republican mantra that free men have guns and the the iraqis we just freed cannot have them.


Open your eyes slaves. The comparison is relevent irrefuteable and honest. How can you live in the land of the free and deny yourselves free discussion and interpretation of the actions of your regime? Why is it hatefull to do so? If you marginalize free discussion by calling it hatefull how can there be free discussion?

Quick lesson. Its not normally considered hatefull to despise war.
Its not normaly considered hateful to read the news and corralate events.
Its not normally considered hateful to demand an account of thier actions from military aggressors.

The only "hate" here is pooring back at me for bringing the actions of your goverment to your poor unseeing eyes.

[Yeager]

Pongo really on a roll.

GO PONGO GO!!!!!!

[beet1e]

I've added Pongo to my buddy list.

[Dune]

I hate to tell you, but the basis for your whole diatribe is false.  The US is not forbiding Iraqis from keeping firearms.

From a Knight-Ridder Newspaper in Florida

U.S. Army Col. Joe Anderson, the brigade commander in charge of U.S. forces in the city, said American control of Iraq has not ended the right to own weapons.

"We told them if you have them at home, you can keep them. It's a protection issue," he said.

However, Anderson said that the freedom to sell weapons extends only to licensed gun shops. He said American patrols bust one or two open-air gun markets a day, arresting sellers and confiscating their weapons.

Oh, and btw, you're knowledge of the 2nd Amendment, what it meant then and now is full of crap too.

Anti-gun slave.

[Yeager]

oh no......pongo no roll now?

[Arfann]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
None of these countries in the past reacted in the same way that the citizens of Iraq have done. There was no mass looting and lawlessness in Japan, for example.

Yep, we left the emperor in place in Japan, instead of targeting him with big nasty bombs. And, if memory serves me, Hitler did the dis-arming for us in Germany. Talk about apples and oranges!

[Arfann]

Originally posted by Pongo
"US troops will be given orders to arrest any Iraqis who carry or sell guns, it was announced today. The move is an attempt to end the chaos caused by gangs of looters and bandits."

LOL
Democrocy in Iraq evidently means a different thing than it means in America. Isnt a well armed populace a cornerstone of American Democracy?

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Ya dang Cannuck, don't ya know we are there to give them their freedom! We freed a bunch from the day to day tasks of breathing and pumping blood and all. Now we're giving them the freedom to give up their arms (for their own good, don't ya know!) Soon we'll "let" them elect their own government! Well, other than not that party over there or that religious group down the block or  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .