US bans guns

[Yeager]

You should wait until a guy is dead before you take his A2 Flight Jacket.  Ya M'rons.

And just being Canadian doesnt give you an automatic pass on the idiot test.  I know a few who are right down the line decent Americans.

[lazs2]

we are letting the iraqis own and bear fully automatic (gasp) assault rifles in fact... I bet we let them keep rocket propelled grenades.   we put less restrictions on them than I have to live under in California.    Bet they don't even have a waiting period to buy a gun.
lazs

[Arfann]

Originally posted by lazs2
we put less restrictions on them than I have to live under in California.    

I spent some time in CA over the last few years (a client in Burbank who was clueless). Of all the people I met and associated with there none ever claimed to be forced to stay. They all stayed of their own free will. If no one's holding a gun to yer head, just leave. But don't come to Colorado. We been Californicated enough!!

[Toad]

Well, there goes the last shreds of Pongo's tattered argument.

U.S. Army Col. Joe Anderson, the brigade commander in charge of U.S. forces in the city, said American control of Iraq has not ended the right to own weapons.

"We told them if you have them at home, you can keep them. It's a protection issue," he said.

However, Anderson said that the freedom to sell weapons extends only to licensed gun shops. He said American patrols bust one or two open-air gun markets a day, arresting sellers and confiscating their weapons.

Looks like it's actually looser in Iraq than it is here in the USA under the 2nd. Fully auto weapons without a Class III license!

[GrimCO]

Pongo's argument was never valid in the first place...

Iraq is an occupied country right now with a foreign military presence. After a democratic government is set up, it will be none of our concern whether Iraqis are allowed to have guns or not. Nor will the "evil" United States attempt to regulate this matter. That will be a decision THEY will make for themselves. I am also certain that they will decide the general Iraqi public will be able to possess firearms.

Pongo just needs to search for yet another subject to spread his anti-United States sentiments. This one holds no water at all.

[miko2d]

GrimCO: But YOU are more brainwashed than you accuse others of being.

I suppose those people in Iraq would be happier being massacred by a brutal dictator than they would if they were "banned" from carrying weapons.

 Speaking of brainwashed, why don't you use your brains and explain to us, how that dictator could have been so brutal and oppressive and massacring everybody if his population was armed.
 And what kind of oppression is that when the population is allowed to own full-auto weapons and be free to travel abroad. Pretty lousy oppression, or at least a half-hearted one.

 I may not be getting my education and opinions from a talking head on the boob-tube like you but I do know a few things about the opression and the people of Iraq do not seem to have been living in that much fear of being massacred.

 miko

[Yeager]

Ever been to Iraq miko?

[Toad]

3,000 bodies exhumed at central Iraqi mass grave, officials say

But Peter Bouckaert, a researcher with Human Rights Watch, criticized the U.S.-led administration in Iraq for not sending any forensic experts to Hillah and for allowing local people to excavate the graves.

"The way they're doing it is, they are destroying evidence," Bouckaert said at the scene Wednesday. "It's an absolutely shameful failure on the part of the U.S. government."

He said at least 200,000 people had disappeared in Iraq during the past decade, and that human rights groups knew the locations of many other mass grave sites throughout the country.

[NUKE]

Do a search on Peter Bouckaert and see what he is all about.

He's the guy that said there was "growing evidence" of a masacre in Jenin.

The BBC seems to love the guy.

[Toad]

Nonetheless, it's pretty clear that if "people of Iraq do not seem to have been living in that much fear of being massacred"


it may well be because they've SEEN their countrymen massacred and learned how to avoid a mass death sentence from the regime.

[GrimCO]

Originally posted by miko2d
I may not be getting my education and opinions from a talking head on the boob-tube like you but I do know a few things about the opression and the people of Iraq do not seem to have been living in that much fear of being massacred.

Now THIS comment is the most ridiculous I've seen so far...  

Hands down.

[lazs2]

arfan... I merely stated that I would like to have the same weapons restrictions as iraq here in California... It would be the same if I lived in colorado... I will stay in california untill I retire probly... real estate values will continue to increase because... well... it doesn't snow here and we have an ocean... I will retire and sell my house... I will probly then move to someplace warm or simply buy your town with the profit and level it.   It would still be cold and useless but at least it wouldn't be touristy.
lazs

[miko2d]

Yeager: Ever been to Iraq miko?

 Were you?

Toad: 3,000 bodies exhumed at central Iraqi mass grave, officials say

 Imagine that after Pearl Harbor in 1941 Japanese did manage to defeat US fleets, kick US out of "conquered" territories, like Hawaii and Philipinnes, bombed the heck out of US infrastructure and amassed huge armies at the borders.
 What would happen if during that time of war tens of thousands of some "oppressed" group of US population - like blacks or southern confederates or communists - rose up in armed revolt in cooperation with Japanese against the US government?


GrimCO: Now THIS comment is the most ridiculous I've seen so far...

 So it should be easy for you to address it, right?

 Seriously, one of the ways government opresses people is preventing them from owning arms - in order to perpetrate further oppression with impunity.
 Could it be Hussein's regime did not feel the need to disarm iraqis because it was not that much opposed by population as you believe? Could it be it did not have enough oppressive power to disarm the population even if it wanted to?

 Or was Hussein such a genius as to discover a way to intolerably oppress and even massacre the armed population? That would be a first.

 miko

[jEEZY]

Pongo,

Last time I checked the Iraqi government did not sign on to the U.S. Constitution.  Thus, their citizens would not be protected by the amendements therein.  If you would like legal cites which clarify this position (that foriegn citizens, like yourself, are not protected under the U.S. Constitution) please let me know I would be happy to post them.

I appreciate your point about letting the Iraqi's have the freedoms we (U.S. citizens) enjoy in the U.S., but right know they are technically a military protectorate of the U.S. (citations omitted) with a civillian administrator.  When the time comes for the Iraqis to decide their own fate, than they shall have to determine if the right to bear arms is to be part of that.  Until then, however the U.S. decides how best to administer Iraq, a fortiori, such administration does not have to conform to the rights and limitations imposed on the U.S. government when administering or governing its own citizens. See Supra.  

jeezy

[GrimCO]

Originally posted by miko2d
So it should be easy for you to address it, right?

Seriously, one of the ways government opresses people is preventing them from owning arms - in order to perpetrate further oppression with impunity.
 Could it be Hussein's regime did not feel the need to disarm iraqis because it was not that much opposed by population as you believe? Could it be it did not have enough oppressive power to disarm the population even if it wanted to?

 Or was Hussein such a genius as to discover a way to intolerably oppress and even massacre the armed population? That would be a first.

It doesn't take a genius to control a populace armed with rifles. All it takes is a strong military and a ruthless dispensing of it's superior power.

Ask the armed Kurds and Shiites who decided to "rise up" against an oppressive regime in Iraq. You'll have a tough time asking them because the majority are now dead, and yet they were armed. The ability of citizens to possess guns in no way prevents a totalitarian dictatorship from controlling the populace with it's military.

Saying a bunch of people carrying rifles can intimidate, much less overwhelm a military with chemical weapons, artillery and tanks and the will to use them is ridiculous.

Do you have some kind of mysterious plan that could accomplish this feat? If so, tell the Palestinians about it. Perhaps they'll quit strapping bombs to their chests in desperation and defeat the Isreali army with their rifles.