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Offline Shane

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why do you hate the Lagg7 ?
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2003, 05:50:56 PM »
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Someone said he hates runners and so that's why he flies the LA7?  That strikes me as being a catch-22 because the LA7s are the most capable runners out there.
I never run into Shane except for one day.  We go at it and I get the fight low and slow and in a very slow but tight turn I decide to reverse hoping he'd lose control and I near lost control myself...then he slams into the ground.  But it wasn't that he made any mistakes and lost, it was his frame rate or something he claims.  I believe I saved this on film.


ty for proving yourself a slobberdonkey.  how many on your own side in that screenshot mention lag? let's see....  bnshill, freeze and RR; even ripsnort chimes in (with rip providing the cause of the lag).  jpeg and scSpinQ also note the lag.

back then i was still on a 333 p2 and lag from a mass goonie raid would take my fps down to 2-3 or even 0, which is when i probably smacked into the ground giving you a proxy.

stats for that (tour 31) show we met twice and each took away a victory, me in la7 over your 51b and you in 51b over la7 (that's your 51b, or is that your la7, in the screenie, right?) nothing anywhere about you in la7 v me in la7.

lol.  try harder. maybe you'll even manage to argue your own POV instead of mine.

oh, and btw, is this where the rest of the 332nd step in on sunking's behalf?  lololol.

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« Last Edit: May 22, 2003, 06:06:54 PM by Shane »
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« Reply #46 on: May 22, 2003, 06:02:49 PM »
is slobber donkey the new word for tard???

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Re: Re: Everyone should love the La-7
« Reply #47 on: May 22, 2003, 06:11:35 PM »
Check out the duration (in minutes) in AH at full power.  It's twice what the plane could actually do.

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« Reply #48 on: May 22, 2003, 07:30:23 PM »
"So, i'll too grab a N1K2/La7 once or twice, but only if i am completly drunk and have a strange desire of beeing a big time stunninghunk....



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Re: Re: Re: Everyone should love the La-7
« Reply #49 on: May 22, 2003, 07:32:33 PM »
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Check out the duration (in minutes) in AH at full power.  It's twice what the plane could actually do.

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Where did you find that tidbit ? I would like to see it ... ah nevermind ... I don't last longer than 1/2 hour in an La-7 and I doubt very strongly anybody else would last long enuff to reach the limit of 1 hour, nevermind 2, so its a mute point.
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« Reply #50 on: May 22, 2003, 07:50:23 PM »
Shane,,,, I've followed you around in a LA7 trying to learn how you fly them. By no means have I been able to stay with you through a furball. What I have seen you do is completely the opposite of all the complaints about LA7 runny dweebeiys.

I don't know how you do it, but you stay with the furball and it looks like you turn and burn, then come back out vertical before re-engaging. I watched you do a high front quarter snap shot with 5 or 6 rounds, pass over the kill, then the turn you pulled back around into a second kill is what I could not follow. I over shot with too much E and someone removed my rudder and sent me into the drink.

I have read Russian Pilot reports from LA7 aces. They mixed it up and dominated the Germans. So how do you fly the LA7 that way. I don't want to run away, the little beast just needs speed to work right.

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« Reply #51 on: May 22, 2003, 08:33:25 PM »
Hardware ... high speed internet. ;)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone should love the La-7
« Reply #52 on: May 22, 2003, 08:46:47 PM »
From a very long thread that compares US navy fighters to the La-7.  Tilt posted the actually flight test data and F4uDOA had all the numbers needed for the US planes...

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Where did you find that tidbit ? I would like to see it ... ah nevermind ... I don't last longer than 1/2 hour in an La-7 and I doubt very strongly anybody else would last long enuff to reach the limit of 1 hour, nevermind 2, so its a mute point.

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« Reply #53 on: May 22, 2003, 09:53:52 PM »
Shane,

Your bravado is getting real old.  I've never jumped in on this topic but now it's time.  Yes, there was lag.  It not only affected you, but did you ever figure it affected me as well?  Still, all I ever see lag do is make other aircraft warp.  With your slow connect, can you imagine what it might have been for me trying to tangle with you?  I've never seen lag affect my lift and stall me into the ground though.  That's not lag induced and I thought frame rate was dependent on what your computer is trying to draw.  You ar flying over the terrain on your FE.  Our fight was just you and me out in the boonies with nopoop coming in from the distance who arrives right as you kiss dirt.  No smoke, no one else in icon range, nothing to really impact your frame rate.  Maybe my computer is somehow something special in regards to lag, but lag only affects me by making the other aircraft zip around but I still fly smoothly as ever.  But even if it were lag induced, are your garbonzo beans so small that you feel you must explain away a loss in the fear someone may think poorly of you?

And yes, that's my 51B...full flaps out.  I saved that film because I found them interesting fights.  In all my time here, I've never flown an LA7, be it online or offline.  Not once.  Not sure why you bring up me being in an LA7 in that shot.  Make no mistake, this isn't anything about bravado on my part though.  No where do I say I'm the better pilot and I don't blame anything other than being outflown when having lost to you...not to the alignment of the stars or the cat giving me dirty looks which distracted me or a squeeky joystick or lag or even a child grabbing my arm for attention which has happened and might have that day, but you'd never know.  Point being, you always have an excuse to degrees more than anyone else in here.  Think about that.  That's all the point people typically make about you.  Just give a "good job" every once in a while even if you feel the other guy got lucky.  It'll put hairs on your chest.

Anyway, now I feel dirty.  I shouldn't have ever gotten involved in this one.
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« Reply #54 on: May 22, 2003, 10:44:30 PM »
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Shane,

Your bravado is getting real old.  I've never jumped in on this topic but now it's time.  Yes, there was lag.  It not only affected you, but did you ever figure it affected me as well?  Still, all I ever see lag do is make other aircraft warp.  With your slow connect, can you imagine what it might have been for me trying to tangle with you?  I've never seen lag affect my lift and stall me into the ground though.  That's not lag induced.  Quite funny you jump on that as your excuse so fast that it almost looks like a macro.  But even if it were lag induced, are your garbonzo beans so small that you feel you must explain away a loss in the fear someone may think poorly of you?

And yes, that's my 51B...full flaps out.  I saved that film because I found them interesting fights.  In all my time here, I've never flown an LA7, be it online or offline.  Not once.  Not sure why you bring up me being in an LA7 in that shot.  Make no mistake, this isn't anything about bravado on my part though.  No where do I say I'm the better pilot and I don't blame anything other than being outflown when having lost to you...not to the alignment of the stars or the cat giving me dirty looks which distracted me or a squeeky joystick or lag or even a child grabbing my arm for attention which has happened and might have that day, but you'd never know.  Point being, you always have an excuse to degrees more than anyone else in here.  Think about that.  That's all the point people typically make about you.  Just give a "good job" every once in a while even if you feel the other guy got lucky.  It'll put hairs on your chest.

Anyway, now I feel dirty.  I shouldn't have ever gotten involved in this one.



pay attention while i type reaaaaallll slow for you - try and find someone who can dispute what i'm about to squeakslap you with.

p2 333 getting between 10-35fps depending hits massive server lag, fps drops to 3 or worst case 0.  at 0 to 3 fps my screen is not getting updated until that lag passes. (note: i had cable, still do - the lag effect was entirely beating down my slow *system* not connect. the fact that you presumed i had a slow connect shows me just how little you understand about how things work.)

during that 0-3fps, my screen is not getting updated and if i were low on the deck i could easily run right into the ground and then presto auger when the lag passed, because while i was at 0-3fps (slide slow to pure screen freeze) i could not make timely input to avoid the ground that i couldn't even tell was filling up my screen.

are you still with me?  the lag effected my fps/ability to input moreso than the connection per se, altho' they're both related.

ask skuzzy if you doubt that a server lag like that would have created a tremendous hit on my fps.  the fact that it didn't affect you to the extent it did me, only indicates you had/have a system that was decently able to deal with this issue.  what was/is your system specs back when this occurred?

yeah, it affected just about everyone to an extent, some moreso than others (like me). my vid card/cpu combo gagged trying to keep up with what was occurring. did your fps at that time drop down to 0-3fps? or were you perhaps ok at 20+ fps? and only suffering text lag, but not input lag?

now do you see how that lag affected my vid card which affected my ability to pull out of what was a terminal angle? it didn't "stall" me out, i just didn't have the feedback necessary to be able to avoid the ground - all i could have done (and might have) would have been to pull the stick back all the way and hope i pull out before hitting the ground (which could also have lead to a stall).

let me sum this up real slow again, server lag plus low-end system = massive fps hit, dropping fps to 0-3fps which, as you might not be aware, is a slideshow (3fps) or a screen that is simply not being updated (0fps).... yet the server is still "tracking" my plane, which in the absence of any input led to an auger when the system finally updated on my end. how can i avoid that which i can't see coming?

and look what i said in that picture you so nicely linked. "lol, damn server lag."  and i can imagine later in that film (post a screenie will ya) i might have mentioned how that server burp induced a very low fps leading to the auger which you got a proxy kill on.

i'll admit to misreading when you said "decided to take the la7 low and slow."  at first glance it seemed to me that you took an la7 up yourself, but my bad... irrelevant to the main issue anyway.

interesting how people always attribute as a "whine/excuse" something that simply occurred that contributed to the incident.

think what you want, i know what happened. simple fact, if that mass-troop induced server lag had not occurred, who knows how that encounter migt have turned out.

with my system i have now, that event probably would have only dropped me to 30-40fps, perhaps with some text lag/ damage lag thrown in. there's a world of difference between even 15fps and 0-3fps.

hope this clue didn't hurt you too much.
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« Reply #55 on: May 22, 2003, 11:53:50 PM »
squeakslap?  Oh my.

It's always the little dogs that bark the loudest.

The whole point is that you always have an excuse and feel the need to let your opponent/s know what that excuse is.  One person in thousands in here.  Many others have lousy systems or what-have-you and you don't hear them crying out making sure everyone know just what it was that caused them to lose the fight.  Who cares.  Zip-it dot com.
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« Reply #56 on: May 23, 2003, 12:50:45 AM »
oooooooo....   guess that clue hit harder than i thought it would.

that pix you posted was worth a 1,000 words. too bad you had to have them explained for you.
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« Reply #57 on: May 23, 2003, 02:31:11 AM »
Shane,

I actually posted the picture after I wrote the text.  I went back and viewed the film and then screencapped and added it.  The whole point is that you always must offer an excuse as to why you lost like you feel some fear that you may lose some respect from the community.  And so you have to announce it to the world...and a FAST excuse like it's something important that people know that it's not your fault.  Don't be afraid, my point is not that I'm saying I beat you or I'm better than you...I readily admit it was a proximity kill and in the earlier fight you won fair and square.  But in that text, the lag is over because the text is coming up again with what people typed which is before your crash.  

And no, actually, I do not understand the lag affecting your refresh rate.  So yes, have Skuzzy explain it to me.  I've seen severe lag where everyone stops all around me and my bullets make no hits but I keep flying just fine.  Maybe I'll test it, I'll fly around and disconnect/connect my modem and see if those lack of updates impacts my framerate.  I have seen silk smooth connections but poor frame rates due to smoke, a lot of aircraft on the runway and the like.  

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Everyone should love the La-7
« Reply #58 on: May 23, 2003, 11:43:29 AM »
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From a very long thread that compares US navy fighters to the La-7.  Tilt posted the actually flight test data and F4uDOA had all the numbers needed for the US planes...

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Read the whole thread .... great read !!!

Both side of the argument presented very good cases, so as far as I am concerned, there was no conclusive findings.

However, I would attribute more credibilty to crowbaby's findings as he appeared to be the only one that took the time to perform actual tests, whereas all other were using the wizardry of mathmatics to prove their point.
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« Reply #59 on: May 23, 2003, 08:07:50 PM »
lotta good lernin been posted , will try some of that stuff next time ones diving on my wittle buttocks