Author Topic: E.U. Satellite System Plan Threatened (Read 1877 times)

Dnil · « **Reply #45 on:** May 23, 2003, 12:39:12 PM »

now compare merchant ships lost to that list.

its amazing to me that anyone in europe would be happy to see germany strong militarily again. Getting asshumped twice in a 100 years, and still didnt learn.

Syzygyone · « **Reply #46 on:** May 23, 2003, 12:41:06 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
LOL!

Here: http://www.naval-history.net

Wery cool site. Thanks dude!
Now, go back to bashing, All this niceness is boring!

Teforto · « **Reply #47 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:24:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil

its amazing to me that anyone in europe would be happy to see germany strong militarily again.

...weren't there, a short time ago, some people who were kind of angry that Germany didn't want to go to war?

Naso · « **Reply #48 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:25:24 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Naso the way I read it that Italy didn't want to spend the money required to build it's own plane, so they bought one. Nobody forced them to buy the f-16.

Italy does'nt HAVE the money to spent in his own plane, but is having a huge (for her) effort to cooperate with others to build one (Eurofighter).

Will is not enough.

And I did'nt say someone forced it, dont get defensive, i am not accusing someone, just pointing facts and some perceived (by me) weaknesses.

Naso · « **Reply #49 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:27:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Syzygyone
Uh.... oh...... lets see now, a choice between combat proven fully operational F-16's at a cheap cost or cast off Migs and Mirages. Hmmmm, now which would I choose?

I think Naso, maybe them Eyetalians is smarter than you give em credit fer!

Syz, are you deliberately ignoring this part of my sentence:

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re-activated F16 (national guard version), an amaizing machine indeed,

Or just missed it ?

Naso · « **Reply #50 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:30:01 PM »

Oh, and syz, I know very well that we are smarter.

Dowding · « **Reply #51 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:53:31 PM »

My apologies, Syz. Fridays mean at the office for 6am until 4pm for me. And there weren't any damned scrambled eggs in the canteen this morning.

Syzygyone · « **Reply #52 on:** May 23, 2003, 02:29:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Naso
Syz, are you deliberately ignoring this part of my sentence:

Or just missed it ?

Neither. I was just curious at the tenor of your previoius post. Seemed you were insinuating that there was something negative in that deal for Italy or how the U.S. went about it. Better aircraft, better price! What more could you want!

As for knowing you are smart, my paternal grandparents were smart enough to immigrate to U.S. in the 1920's. But then, they insist that they wre Siciliano, not merely Italiano!

Bythe way, I once worked with a man with the last name of
Pouzzouli!. Anyone named the town notied in your avatar?

Syzygyone · « **Reply #53 on:** May 23, 2003, 02:37:22 PM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
My pleasure ... you Euro-hating bastidge!

Ahhhhhh, that's better!

Actually, if you study my posts, you will find that I only despise France, as a whole, and then Germany's government!

I lived many years in Germany when young. Liked it very much.
Liked Luxembourg, Holland too. Generally don't mind old Europe, just some of them new leaders.

By the way, never been to Norwegia but my favorite Beatle tune in Norwegian Wood.

So how does all that add up in terms of anti-euro-hatred currency, you pathetically jealous American hating bastige you!

There I feel like were back into the swing of things.

Syzygyone · « **Reply #54 on:** May 23, 2003, 02:39:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
My apologies, Syz. Fridays mean at the office for 6am until 4pm for me. And there weren't any damned scrambled eggs in the canteen this morning.

No offense, you know I love you Brits!
Oh, and speaking of food, can you PUHLEEEEZE clarify what the attaction of blood sausage is?

Furball · « **Reply #55 on:** May 23, 2003, 03:06:37 PM »

My grandfather took part in the battle of the atlantic aswell as escorting convoys to russia, he took part in the biggest u-boat/convoy engagement of the war (in the film the longest day?) HX-229 and SC-122

He has always told me lots of stories from when he was in the navy, not once has he mentioned u-boats attacking the warships, they always attempted to sneak inbetween the escort's and into the middle of the convoy where it was hard to pick them out from the merchant vessels.

They never fought with the escorts as it would mean certain death.

264 u-boats were lost to ships during the war btw. from
here

Dnil · « **Reply #56 on:** May 23, 2003, 03:19:32 PM »

wasnt me griping about germany. I said go it alone from the beginning. Lead, follow or get out of the way. Germany chose to get in the way.

Dowding · « **Reply #57 on:** May 23, 2003, 04:02:55 PM »

God knows Syz, I think it's an older generation thing. My grandad used to eat it - along with dripping sandwiches and cold tea - but he was a coal miner so they used to eat that stuff underground. I won't touch the stuff.

Speaking of grandfather, he was a merchant seaman during in the war and sailed on the Russian convoys, Furball. He never talked about it, and died when I was 11 years old. I guess he had his stories, but didn't really want to share them.

Staga · « **Reply #58 on:** May 23, 2003, 06:16:52 PM »

I hope you don't mind if I add something to original topic...

You can always use DGPS (Differential GPS) if accuracy of the GPS is not enough for your use.

bounder · « **Reply #59 on:** May 24, 2003, 07:29:07 AM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
If the EU ever stops bickering over the "profit" rights, the system may be built. But do you seriously think it will evolve into the most popular navigation system? Who's going to pay to use it?

And I don't remember the GPS system being degraded during times of war.

Quite the opposite. It seems during Gulf War Part 1 the US military were issued with civilian GPS because not enough Mil Spec GPS were available at the time.

Lots of Yachty friends noticed that in January 2001 their GPS resolution had gone from 10m to 1m as the US switched Civilian GPS signals onto military GPS signals.

Or so I was told by my yachty friends, who it must be said are not miltary experts.