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Offline NUKE

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« on: May 22, 2003, 09:12:56 PM »
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030522/D7R6AH800.html

Is this typical of how the EU will operate?

I wonder why they want to build a EU commercial version of the free US GPS system, especially since the US system is being upgraded soon and they would be only further behind.

Not that I mind if they launch a EU GPS system, just wondering who would pay to use it, since the US GPS is free , been up for many years, and is a world standard.

Seems like a waste of money to me.
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« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2003, 04:07:45 AM »
It's not that hard to see why. Really.  ;)
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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2003, 04:12:16 AM »
Next thing we hear is that the US invented the GPS system :rolleyes:

Djust like Al Gore invented internet :D
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2003, 04:17:01 AM »
Galileo will be funded by the European Union, and the principle of actually launching it is the same as when it was decided that Europe needed an independent access to space in order to launch into orbit commercial and scientific satellites.

Now Ariane is one of the top launchers in the world and it wouldn't surprise me that Galileo evolved into the most popular navigation systems because, mostly, it would be completely civilian. No degrading of the resolution in times of war.

Also, Galileo will mean a SERIOUS boost for europe's hi-tech industry. It is truly a huge project and, IMHO, a good use of government (in this case pan-european) spending.

I have some good friends working for the Galileo project and it's looking real good. If only politicians would leave engineers and scientists to work... the world would be a better place :)

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2003, 04:46:59 AM »
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Next thing we hear is that the US invented the GPS system :rolleyes:

 


Good point, with all those Russian GPS satelites up there thak kind of american lying BS will never fly with people!   :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2003, 05:20:58 AM »
Actually the name is GLONASS :D

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2003, 05:39:01 AM »
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Good point, with all those Russian GPS satelites up there thak kind of american lying BS will never fly with people!  


What does Russia have to do with this?
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2003, 05:41:06 AM »
Russia is part of the great EU-eurotrash conspiracy of course!!!! It is also a part of the EU!!!! Limburgh told me so!!!!

"Infamy, infamy! They've all got it in for me!"
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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2003, 05:46:23 AM »
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Galileo will be funded by the European Union, and the principle of actually launching it is the same as when it was decided that Europe needed an independent access to space in order to launch into orbit commercial and scientific satellites.

Now Ariane is one of the top launchers in the world and it wouldn't surprise me that Galileo evolved into the most popular navigation systems because, mostly, it would be completely civilian. No degrading of the resolution in times of war.

Also, Galileo will mean a SERIOUS boost for europe's hi-tech industry. It is truly a huge project and, IMHO, a good use of government (in this case pan-european) spending.

I have some good friends working for the Galileo project and it's looking real good. If only politicians would leave engineers and scientists to work... the world would be a better place :)

Daniel


If the EU ever stops bickering over the "profit" rights, the system may be built. But do you seriously think it will evolve into the most popular navigation system? Who's going to pay to use it?

And I don't remember the GPS system being degraded during times of war.
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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2003, 06:00:40 AM »
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Originally posted by NUKE
If the EU ever stops bickering over the "profit" rights, the system may be built. But do you seriously think it will evolve into the most popular navigation system? Who's going to pay to use it?

And I don't remember the GPS system being degraded during times of war.


[AFAIK]

It is, Nuke, channel C (I guess) is artificially degraded in a random way, and this changes in dependance of the military/political situation, while channel A (i guess again, dont remember exactly), is the high precision channel, accessible only by US military and/or authorized (by US forces) entities.

It's one of the reasons many Euro Air Authorities refuse to certificate planes with ONLY GPS as navigation system.

There have been rumors of the opening of channel A for worldwide use (while mantaining the property and the "right of denial" by US forces), guess the reason is Galileo project.

[/AFAIK]

Free market :rolleyes:
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« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2003, 06:03:07 AM »
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Originally posted by NUKE
If the EU ever stops bickering over the "profit" rights, the system may be built. But do you seriously think it will evolve into the most popular navigation system? Who's going to pay to use it?

And I don't remember the GPS system being degraded during times of war.


I think it was in 91 or I was coding like a dork :)
I'm perhaps mistaken as I was using the civilian GPS (precision was something like 400/1000 meter)

After reading your first post ,do you serioulsly GPS as free ?
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2003, 06:09:45 AM »
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[AFAIK]

It is, Nuke, channel C (I guess) is artificially degraded in a random way, and this changes in dependance of the military/political situation, while channel A (i guess again, dont remember exactly), is the high precision channel, accessible only by US military and/or authorized (by US forces) entities.

It's one of the reasons many Euro Air Authorities refuse to certificate planes with ONLY GPS as navigation system.

There have been rumors of the opening of channel A for worldwide use (while mantaining the property and the "right of denial" by US forces), guess the reason is Galileo project.

[/AFAIK]

Free market :rolleyes:


Naso, I know that civilain GPS access has always have a few meters resolution, but I didn't think that has ever changed in war or not. I have never heard of complaints from any source that the GPS system was degraded.

Millions of people around the world use the GPS system. Airlines, ships etc....  and I never heard of the system being impared or interfered with.

I can see one reason for the EU system, and that's possibly so their militaries could have a GPS system that wouldn't depend on outside sources. That's the best reason I could see.....and it's a very good reason, but for civilian use, I don't see who would pay to use it.
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2003, 06:14:26 AM »
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I think it was in 91 or I was coding like a dork :)
I'm perhaps mistaken as I was using the civilian GPS (precision was something like 400/1000 meter)

After reading your first post ,do you serioulsly GPS as free ?


Straffo what do you mean  by free. You don't have to pay for the use of the GPS system, all you have to do is buy a receiver...... or am I wrong?
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2003, 06:15:34 AM »
You have to pay a subscription. I'm 99% sure of that. Someone has to pay the running costs.
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2003, 06:19:37 AM »
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You have to pay a subscription. I'm 99% sure of that. Someone has to pay the running costs.


Dowding, not here you don't just by a receiver. I'm nearly positive it's free world-wide.

I just put one on my notebook.....
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