Healthcare

[OZkansas]

Today I was listening to a discussion regarding healthcare on C-Span.  Someone called in and suggested that the Department of Defense budget be used to provide healthcare for everyone.  The way he suggested this you could detect in his voice the distain he had for the military.  I for one don’t want to send anyone into harms way in anything except the best!

I just don’t understand how it is some of our citizens don’t understand that the strength of our military is the key to the blessings our nation has had.  

Healthcare for everyone is a noble idea.  But it will never happen.  Our government should be doing all it can do to help the private sector solve the healthcare problem.  The government shouldn’t be directly involved as it only increases the costs as Medicare has demonstrated.  The limitations the government places upon the practitioners of healthcare only decreases the quality of healthcare.

It isn’t the responsibility of the government that every citizen is covered by a healthcare program, it is the responsibility of each and every citizen!  Everyone has to plan for how they will provide healthcare if they become unemployed.  That is the first thing I did when I became unemployed.  As a matter of fact I had prepared long before I quit one job. I just don’t understand how some think it is their right that the government provide for their healthcare needs!

[Dawggus]

Hehe, agreed OZ

As one who works in the Healthcare field, I think there is a role for the government, or some umbrella organization, in the area of controlling the rollout and usage of new technologies and standards of care.  The new high-tech stuff keeps rolling off the shelves, all the users of healthcare want it, and all the payors won't pay for it.  We need a way to curb utilization of healthcare and the practical applications of new widgets, or our costs will continue to spiral out of control and the government will HAVE to take over .

Cya Up!

[mietla]

Originally posted by OZkansas
I just don’t understand how it is some of our citizens don’t understand that the strength of our military is the key to the blessings our nation has had.  

Public education = captive audience for an un-opposed leftie indoctrination. Leftie government controlled schools yield leftie government friendly alumni. Unless the parents watch of course.

Healthcare for everyone is a noble idea.  But it will never happen.  Our government should be doing all it can do to help the private sector solve the healthcare problem.  The government shouldn’t be directly involved as it only increases the costs as Medicare has demonstrated.  The limitations the government places upon the practitioners of healthcare only decreases the quality of healthcare.

of course! and ... exp(i*t) = cos(t) + i*sin(t)

Unfortunately our public school educated public knows neither. They are lucky if they can read and write.

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It isn’t the responsibility of the government that every citizen is covered by a healthcare program, it is the responsibility of each and every citizen!  Everyone has to plan for how they will provide healthcare if they become unemployed.  That is the first thing I did when I became unemployed.  As a matter of fact I had prepared long before I quit one job. I just don’t understand how some think it is their right that the government provide for their healthcare needs! [/B]

Again. Of course.  It's common sense and a bit of thinking, but then again. My fellow citizens owe me...

[OZkansas]

Originally posted by Dawggus
Hehe, agreed OZ

As one who works in the Healthcare field, I think there is a role for the government, or some umbrella organization, in the area of controlling the rollout and usage of new technologies and standards of care.  The new high-tech stuff keeps rolling off the shelves, all the users of healthcare want it, and all the payors won't pay for it.  We need a way to curb utilization of healthcare and the practical applications of new widgets, or our costs will continue to spiral out of control and the government will HAVE to take over .

Cya Up!

When I was younger, under 10 years, now 55, there wasn't any government or insurance involved in healthcare.  You could afford to go to the doctor as the market place set the price.  As a matter of fact the doctors even made house calls.  I remember the doc comming to my room as I was sick with the flu or something that made it hard to go to his office which was in his house.

The government being involved in any way other then encouraging the private sector to solve the healthcare question will only jack the prices higher.  The market place will tell which of the new hightech healthcare machines or procedures is worthwhile.  I believe that their costs will come down as the market place will set the prices not the insurance companies or government.  With that 3rd party, insurance or government, being involved makes it hard for the person using healthcare to  understand the real costs as the users only are billed the difference.  This allows the users not to care and maybe even abuse the healthcare system.

I think that if we the people don't pay attention regarding healthcare we are going to have a systems that is expensive and produces poor quality healthcare.  If the Dems get their way and the government is the sole provider then be ready for the worst healthcare system the world has ever seen!

[Gunthr]

I agree that the government should stay out of health care except for a minimal safety-net involvement.

I'm not so sure about insurance though. Insurance in the private sector should prosper or wither according to the free market. They have a right to be in business.

[Bodhi]

Originally posted by OZkansas
I think that if we the people don't pay attention regarding healthcare we are going to have a systems that is expensive and produces poor quality healthcare.  If the Dems get their way and the government is the sole provider then be ready for the worst healthcare system the world has ever seen!

Well said Oz.  I agree that further government involvement into our healthcare system, other than standards and enforcement, will only hinder and thereby worsen an already ailing system.  
I, through my employer have an insurance policy, but when I worked for myself, I had just catastrophic (everything covered over 5K) and payed everything out of pocket.  Sometimes even taking a year too pay off one incident, but, I was happy in knowing that I was covered should any major illness or injury occur.  If more people realised that they can provide healthcare for themselves reasonably priced, then less will fall on the government to subsidise.  Thus lowering the costs for everyone involved.  

Anyways, it is such a pleasure to have a decent topic on this board as opposed to all the bashing and nonsense that has been going on as of late.

Kudos to you.

[lord dolf vader]

no one has dissagreed

when somone does then  you will bash them.

p.s.  i dissagreed but you wont listen no matter what i say. so no point getting bashed.

[SOB]

I think health care is one area that the government SHOULD be in.  Nothing wrong with a nation providing for the health of its citizens.  Hell, take my SS payments and apply them toward health care...I'll worry about my own retirement.


SOB

[lord dolf vader]

my god we agree. now im really scared.


jesus keep the working man working.

[Toad]

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[mietla]

Originally posted by SOB
Nothing wrong with a nation providing for the health of its citizens.

well, how is healthcare different from

* food
* roof over your head
* phone service
* transportation
* a bottle of booze when you need it
* an income (note I did not say a job)
* success in life
* cable TV
* success with women

where do you think the ratchet would stop?

If we can have "free" healthcare why can't we have "free" everything?

I want all of it, I want "free" everything, I just don't feel like working. I tried that and must tell you, work sucks big time.

[mietla]

Oh, and one more thing

I do not want to get cancer, so why don't we get congress working on that ASAP.

[mietla]

[SOB]

Mietla, you are an idiot.


SOB

[mietla]

lord dolf vader,
Seriously, lay down your arguments so exchange is possible. I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your message and your view-point.

Please do reciprocate.