perk planes are too expensive when...

[Citabria]

they are seldom used.

the f4u1c is the perfect example of a well priced perk plane. it is used and used a lot but people do not over use it and it is cheap enough that people will be aggressive and jabo and fly against the odds with the f4u1c.

however:

the tempest is way overpriced, it should be cheapened enough that it is used often yet not overused. it should cost 30 perks

f4u4 way overpriced it should cost 20 perks

ar234 way overpriced it should cost 30 perks

ta152 sucks so even if it was free no one would fly it so price is not an issue 30 perks is fine as is

me262 well if you disco you loose 100 perks if no hits. 100 perks takes a long while for the average player to aquire and 200 takes take forever. the me262 should cost 100 perk points. expensive enough to keep it rare yet cheap enough to let it be flown once in a while.

[Citabria]

besides there are perk planes available already that are unperked:

la7
p51
109g10
n1k2
spit


these all are used and used a lot for a reason.
they are very capable. in a lot of ways more capable than some of the perked planes

[Dmitry]

What Fester is trying to say is:
perk a Mossie that out does anything  

[Citabria]

just took up an f4u4 from a field with f4u's above it.

I killed the first f4u then got in a turn fight with the 2nd f4u. my own acks shot my left wingtip off and killed the other f4u.

I then landed the thing but spun it out onto the grass next to the runway since f4u wont stay level w left wingtip gone.

loss? 60 perks.

[FDisk]

I think that would be good for people that make 3 - 4 perks per sortie... The people who make 20-30 perks per sortie woulds turn AH to a KILLING spree of pain of all.  

[Tac]

I agree. no perk plane should cost more than 80 perks.

The arado should cost 2/3rds of what the 262 costs.

Perk the 51D, La7, n1k? Perhaps, 3 or 4 perks?. Ta152 unperk it, its a POS below 20k and above it its got to be flown like a chicken unless you wanna lose the perks. The spit IX MAY need to be perked.. 1 or 2 perks, not because of performance, but because of overuse.

[john9001]

you don't really "spend" your perk points on a plane, it's a damage deposit, you bring the plane back , you get your deposit back, so if your a good pilot it won't cost anything

[Wilbus]

ta152 sucks so even if it was free no one would fly it so price is not an issue 30 perks is fine as is

, cause you don't know how to fly it, it's the pilot, not the plane, it's one of the most underrated planes in AH, at all alts, might be slightly too cotsly, but just MIGHT.

Me262 is being used quite much allready. F4U4 costs too much, Tempest is just fine.

[SirLoin]

The perk system is great but could be better balanced.Perk all the late war planes to some degree would  be a good idea.

[Purzel]

Hmm, I too think the perks are too expensive. The ppl who are not playing this sim a lot have almost no chance to ever fly a 262 online.

They dont have the practice to score lots of perkies on a mission (just like me).

I too think all late war planes should be perked, in a manner fitting to the c-hog. But the ones still a bit later than these shouldnt cost ten times as much.

And: now the 262 is used a lot, because its new and capable, but when the perkies are gone it will become rare.

I admit have have some perkies, but only because I dont use them. I'm not good at this, if I begin using them they are gone.

And the ones who get 30 perkies a ride wont fly the tempest all the way I guess. I would be too easy for these Experten. If they would act like this, the would already use the NIK or something, and if they did, they wouldnt get 30 perks a ride  

just IMHO

[lazs1]

Well... I disagree.  I don't think most of the perk planes even belong in the game.  They should be as rare as possible if we want a "fairer" arena with such a diverse set.   Right now they are used more than say the 202.   How is that fair?   Would a a6m2 zeke even get 1% usage?   Isn't the early zeke a lot more important to WWII than the ridiculous TA152?   Get all the other planes up on an even footintg first and then worry about how often the spoiler perk rides are used.

Every perk ride seen is a spoiled fight.
lazs

[Ripsnort]

I just want to clarify that Perks are as old as the reward system we've had in sims for along time.  In a box game, and some online games, when you do good, you get a medal, or options to beef up your aircraft, or late war aircraft, while in campaign mode.  The same applies to the perk system in AH.  I can't count the number of times I've heard someone say "Finally! I got enough perks for a AR234"...this is a result of working towards a goal, and the reward issued.  Sure, we could go to a "medal-based" reward system, but last time I checked, you can't fly a medal...you can fly a perk plane though!

[Fariz]

After losing 200 perks resently due to disco I think that it is way too much for my ISP  problems.

I also think that some planes are overprised.

My suggestions and resons for the price I suggest:

f4u-C for 8 perks is fine. It was my jabo plane of choice, and it really cost those perks. Now it a big more heavy, so I use tiffie more usual for jabo, but 8 still is ok.

Tempest is overprised. It's fast, has great guns, still not very good at alts, and not the best dogfighter. Though in this case I think it is overprised marginally, and it shall be around 50 perks.

f4u4 is overprised. Its a great plane, no doubt, but not close to its price. Main thing which justifies its as a high perk is that at the moment f4u4 is the best carrier based plane. I hope it will be priced down to 30 perks.

Arado is a great buff, almost untouchable if flown right (at least it was prior to 1.08). From the other hand it carries small bomb load and now it can be killed by me262. It shall be more cheap now, around 35-40 perks.

ta-152. 15-20 perks. If it had better climb rate I would use it as a high intercepter due to its speed and good punch, but practise shows that when you climb it high enough, it is already friendly 109g10 there which kill the buffs.

me262 price would be ok if not a disconnects problem. Last nigh one .303 ping of a lanc, which died 5 minutes prior to my disco cost me 100 more perks. Either this problem shall be somehow settled (for example if I pinged BUT still no dammage, high enough, enough fuel it shall be 100 perks lost) or price shall be put down. 200 perks for bad connect is a lot even if you spend many time in AH, and TOO DAMN MUCH when you fly hour or so per day. Again, this tends to grow to the most frustrating problem for me in AH, because I like me262, and going to use it.

Also, I think it is nothing bad if prices will be adjusted and then plane usage will be monitored in the end of tour. This way perk price system would not be so rigid and more adequate.

[DanielMcIntyre]

AH's Perk Mentality is:

You see a tempest and your in a unperked ride, say a N1K.  He's coming down on your six say 3k.  You think fek it, what have I got to lose, perks no, what has he got to lose, perks yes, 70 of em.  You spin around and HO him, he kills you but his engines ded and hes spinning to the ground. So you made him lose his perks, you died but so what?

thats basically the reality of flying a perk plane. imo  unperk all planes and ruin the game or perk all planes and how the hell do you fly when you first start?


I agree spit, n1k and la7 need to be perked thou.

[lazs1]

rip... yes, a "reward" system is old in boxed or board games.   this is neither.   We are playing against other humans who pay the same rate to play and have varied amounts of time to play and various goals.  They don't like being clubbed as much as Ai does.

Let me make it quite simple... Every perk plane seen in the CURRENT arena is a spoiled fight for everyone but the perk plane jerk.  The rarer these idiotic perk rides the fairer the arena.   You want a reward?   Go do the dishes for yer mom.  

Let's bring some important early war planes to the arena and give the perk rides the boot or..... At least let's get some seperation... "area" arena or modoified RPS or even seperate arenas with switchable (within each arena) maps.... Hell... anything but this!
lazs