Poll time: F4U4 and 152

[Ecke-109-]

Hey aces,

Like any other fighter, one must fly it enough to learn its strengths and weaknesses

Thats it.
The problem is only in the pilot's head.Most pilots think they will loose cash instead of perkpoints when failing.
Earning perks and loosing perks is part of the fun.
Lots of pilots fly much better in non-perkplanes than in perkplanes.In perkplanes they fly granny-like, and always beeing afraid of the possibility of loosing their perks instead of learning to fly the plane at its limit.
I guess,there is not very BIG difference between ,lets say, a spit9 and a spit14.
If spit9 is 100% and spit14 is 115%, but a pilot only uses 70% of the planes capabilities ,he shure will think that spit14 is too expensive.  

And please..dont talk about making the ta152 cheaper.Unperk that plane till its FM is corrected to its real-life capability.And then double its perks.

respectfull,
Ecke

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by mjolnir
Alright, so this means that if you're a bishop, these planes will cost:

Me262:  160
Spit14:  35
Temp:  50
F4U-4:  35
Ta152:  16
F4U-1C:  13
Me163:  110
Ar234:  80

Of course these are rough guesses based on what the perk modifier seems to hover around.  Still an improvement though, I can't remember the last time I was on and a 262 cost less than 300.

If you are outnumbering your enmy by that much you shouldn't be able to afford a perk ride. Thank god for the modifier. Bishops, crack me up.

[Duedel]

I've had 1vs1 in Ta152 vs. P51D 190D9 P47D30 (in MA and DA) they all had no chance in a long fight. Ta152 holds the E and could outturn the others (maybe cause i was light and they where full loaded, maybe cause the pilots where unexperienced)
I've had 1vs1 in Ta152 vs. N1K Spit Hurry and they never had a chance cause u simply can run (dive) away, climb, turn back and u have the E advantage for BnZ.

There where only a few Ta152 produced and I dont want to see them often so I'm OK with the current perkies regardless if the FM is right or not.

[OIO]

Well Widewing, I could have 20:1 kill/death ratio in a P-51D if I was scared to lose my perks by dying in it.

The F4U4 and 152 really are not any diferent from an LA7 performance wise.

Lowering the perk cost is a good idea, 12 perks for the 152 and 18 perks for the F4U4 would be a great start. Too bad they cant perk the La7 at 5 perks

[devious]

AFAIK, the AH TA is a TA-152 H0 labelled H1. I`d like to see a real H1 in AH2.

She`s a great killer, once you get used to the german cannons you`ll discover the brutal firepower.

She can outturn D-Ponys and Jugs and Hogs.

So she`s perked at a price. Would I only have to pay 8 perks, she`d be nothing special, just a better 190.

I suggest changing the icons to the base type (190 or F4U) - that would help the "AXE Effect" of 25 bishes converging on you.

[moot]

strictly stall limit radius speaking, the 152 doesnt outturn either ponies, jugs or hogs.

[LePaul]

I guess I do not understand the hype and such of introducing new perk planes, then placing them on a scale where they are seldom used

I'd love to pounce around in a 152 in the MA but for the current perk cost, and the bumpersticker-icon that says "I WASTED A LOT OF PERKS, COME NAIL ME IN MASS NUMBERS" is a turn off  

[lazs2]

anything that makes for more perk planes being seen in the MA is a very bad idea.

The arena is timid enough without adding even more late war hit and run away high alt late war planes..

The only reason that perk planes don't bother people is because we don't see em very often.   I doubt that there is anyone here that likes to see a perk plane circling around above them waiting to take a cowardly little shot when they think no one is looking.... mostly the perkies are annoying.
lazs

[Innominate]

The cost is not an issue, it's the gangbang tags.
Double the costs if need be, but remove the gangbang tags.

Perk planes should be fun to fly, afterall thats why we're spending perks to fly them.  The cost doesnt matter provided flying the plane is fun in the first place.  The tags remove any chance of having any fun in them.

The f4u4, 152, spit14 are all excellent planes, which can compete on equal terms with the best of the free planes.  They do not dominate the free planes.  They are good planes, that should remain perked, but they shouldn't have to deal with the gangbangs brought on by, and only by, thier tags.

Comparisons between k/d ratios of free and perked planes is irrelevent.  I bet if you perked the la7 and p51(not saying they should be) they would have k/d ratios similar to the f4u4/spit14/152.

[F4i]

Innom...thank you for the kills stats for us Netscape users.  

F4i

[Sixpence]

What Inno said.

[humble]

Originally posted by streetstang
Ive seen guys eat Hog4's for lunch in pony's. So does that mean we should perk the pony??? To me its how you fly the things that really makes the difference.
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Jeffer

If the pilots are equal a pony doesnt have a chance against the -4, but thats true with all the planes. Pilot ability will carry the day 1 vs 1 most of the time.

[Zippatuh]

…stall fighting capability able to eat up Yaks…


I would have to disagree with this wholeheartedly.  When we first got the -4 I found a lot of people trying to turn fight the thing like it was a stall fighter.  It’s not.  It’s the same hog just a bit faster and more prop torque.  Get down to low, slow, and stalling with a bit of fuel in her belly and the prop will throw you into the ground quicker than the con.

As far as perkies and icons, I’d like to see them change but personally I think it’s a perception issue.  Everyone is just more self conscious when they’re spending perks.

I flew the -4 for a few tours as a JABO aircraft.  I had about the same k/d ratio as any other aircraft I flew.  That goes with just about any other perk aircraft I’ve flown.  Yeah, the k/d could have been higher and I could have been flying “safer” too.

Charge more, less, alter the icon, fix the FM of this or that, same old same old for over a year and I think HT made it clear through silence that nothing is going to be changed.

[lazs2]

If you are gonna fly a plane with a huge advantage in the arena then your icon should identify it as such.

leave the icons alone but make all the perk rides cost 50% more.
lazs

[LePaul]

Someone gimme Lazs vectors ... i wanna ruin his fun