For the first tim I log out disgusted

[JEK]

Sorry I use translate automaic, I I do not speak English well excused for the writing errors hello I DRAGO

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ps:Gatt VATITC

[gatt]

Lampo,
"Safe way"?, I think exactly the opposite.
And look, the 2^Gruppo Caccia "Diavoli Rossi" (Red Devils) was much better than 1^Gruppo Caccia in the real thing, so better not to show their coat of arms as a signature.

Mandoble,
for italian guys is much more clear the english version, go figure ...
 

[Daff]

Lazs, it's very very simple:
More firepower/Lethality = more HO's regardless of maneuverbility.

Daff


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CO, 56th Fighter Group

[JEK]

Gatt

meglio essere ingnoranti e scopare,che essere colti e farsi delle pugnette.

E se l'intelligenza si misura in virgole e punti e puntie virgole eccole,,,,,,,;;;;;......,,,,,,,,,::::::;;;;;;.........................
visto che chi ti conosce sei brutto da far paura
 

translate gents altavista.com

con questo chiudo le mie reply

[Hazed]

Manfred von richthoffen stated in his rules of air to air engagement that if an enemy is attacking always try to meet the attack.This assumes that you are unable to outrun your enemy.this means ho  
IMHO HO's are a legitimate tactic in fact its exactly the way the LW used to attack B17's so please if you dont like Ho's just try to avoid them and stop moaning...its getting boring.i will always try to manouver onto my enemys 6 and if i cant i will HO if i have to

[Lucchini]

Gatt,
This the copy of one of your posts:

I dont care for me, I'm used to fly in a conservative way. I care for average (and less than) players. I'm afraid they'll loose the interest to play in an elite-arena, where they'll never have enuff time to learn how to survive against late war monsters.

Heck, we survive flyin the C.205 against sissy-fires and cannon-hogs!

P.S.: now I want to see all those "I dont give a damn of the score" guys

[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 05-18-2000).]

I really don't know, but I think the difference between safe and conservative is not so big.
Anyway I don't care about your way of flying.
I'd want u to remember that not all of us can speak or write english as u can but everyone of us has the same right to write his opinions in this BBS in the best way he can!
So pls don't attack Drago for his way of writing but only for his opinions!
The words u wrote about school are not fair and really offensive: if u were lucky to have the opportunity to study don't deride people not as lucky as u.

<S>

Lucchini

[busc]

           Its true, Drago cant properly speak english, but it's also true that u speak too much and cant control yourself.

And will not be of great use for u now doing the poor victim and the good guy, because u have been not smart enough to play this role...


Facts:

1st-  U wrote :"In my post there was nothing offensive. If you took offence, I apologize."

Dont try to play this game, it's pathetic, u started insultin us in here without havin any reason to do it.......

I m  rememberin  u how tht happened-->wardog wrote:
                                                    "I fly p51 90% of the time, and 98% of the 205s i come across go for the HO!!"
 
u replied: "Wardog, you probably came across guys of 1^Gruppo Caccia and/or some other dweeb."

 There was no reason to put urself in such a situation,  but u did: because  u cant control urself, because you, and not me, have "somethin  personal" against us.

Moreover also goin on insultin us and losin control durin our MA conversation was prolly not a great idea (dont do the pathetic try of denying that u did this, ive obviously recorded it).

2nd-  I told u clearly tht the reason cause i decided to duel u was that i wanted u to rethink what u wrote bout us being dweebs, dont be pathetic, sayin u dont want o duel cause its somethin personal, the sad truth  is that u refused to duel because ur Hypertrophic ego cant accept the fact that im far better than u in ACMs, even if u have greater experience than mine in here and in WB.

And there is a precise reason because  i am better than u in duellin, i spent and im still spendin the majority of my time in AH learnin ACM and duellin in trainin and special events arenas, while u "fightin style" is usually just wonderin in the MA in search for only one thing, kills....I often saw u  vulchin and alt-monkeying,  I rarely saw u stayin in a fight when not in advantage, and the few times i had the occasion to fight vs u i saw u are a mediocre pilot just like I am, but  less skillful in dogfights... Sometimes try to descent from ur ego, and have a real fight, if u fight with honour and skill this will give u far more satisfaction than talkin so much and insultin around....Moreover, a guy fightin like u do is not the right one to spread worldwide his sermons against HOs.

PS Sorry for "SHOUTING"  (come on dont do the popsicle bro, some caps cant really damage u, i only used em to underline some words, i will use bold thext next time).

PPS Per gatt---> Inizialmente avevo deciso di non replicare alle tue offese più gravi e squallide, quelle fatte a drago sia in questa sede che altrove.
Parlo ovviamente di certe "ignoranze" (e non correggermi il plurale, maestrina, ha un significato ben preciso)che gli hai attribuito...Il tuo e' un atteggiamento che odio, tipico di un retaggio che grazie a dio si sta' dissolvendo, chi ti credi di essere?
Giusto perchè hai fatto un liceo o lettere all'universita'  e hai qualche granello di cultura e proprieta di linguaggio credi di poter dare dell'ignorante a chiunque con quel fare sprezzante che ti contraddistingue?

Non sei piu' colto di  Drago, non illuderti.
 Drago non ha bisogno di tornare a scuola, a scuola a studiato il francese, ed oggi è un professionista alto livello, con una notevole cultura tecnica e scientifica, tu forse sai esprimerti benino in italiano , beh, lui conosce bene il linguaggio macchina dei computer...

..Ho letto alcuni dei tuoi articoli, perchè interessato all'argomento e non certo perchè ammaliato dalla tua penna...Non insultare alla cieca gente in gamba, non sei nessuno, e non cercare di pararti il culetto giocando a fare il grande giornalista, Montanelli, un altro grande arrogante se lo è sempre potuto  permettere perchè scriveva eccezionalmente bene, cosa che onestamente, secondo il mio parere tu non fai....
Io so' che  non sei un giornalista professionista, che non sei nemmeno un pubblicista, in sostanza non sei nessuno, quindi non venirci ad insegnare l'italiano che ti fai solo mandare a quel paese...
Oltretutto queste cose hanno un solo,cattivo, effeto..I rapporti tra i nostri due gruppi , che stavano lentamente rilassandosi, si saranno di certo di nuovo super-inaciditi dupo le tue provocazioni . Detto in parole povere, tutto sto casino è solo colpa tua e della tua mancanza di autocontrollo; dubito della tua capacità di giudizio, e cioè che tu sia capace ora di acquisire la volontà di creare un atmosfera diversa, ma parte di me lo spera.
           Detto quel che era doveroso dire, i miei saluti,
                             Busc      

[gatt]

Lucchini,
yours is the first polite post I see from one of your squad. And it deserves a nice reply.

I *do* believe that our squads, generally speaking, have two different styles of fighting. There is nothing wrong in it. We *try* to fly and fight our C.205V as if we had 109G-6. From what I've seen in the MA during our sporadic clashes, I *think* that you rely more on the maneuvering characteristics of your Veltro's, from the beginning of the fight. If I'm not wrong you fly at medium-low alt even in multi-bandits areas (but I can be wrong).

So, we are used to approach operation areas at high alt (some 23-24K, where our C.205 have max speed), then we use Hit&Climb tecniques. When the dogfight gets too low, we try to disengage (and regain alt) or (if we cant do anything else) use the quite good turning ability of the C.205 to shoot down the biggest/higher threats. This style maybe be a lil' boring and some way opportunistic, but teaches well how E-management is important. We try to stress E-management from the very first day of the training.

As far as Mr Drago is concerned, plz tell him to stop his show, and I'll stop to slam him and his way of writing. And plz tell again Busc (I did in MA) that I usually play (challenge, that is) with guys I like. Enuff said.

As you can see I made my real apologies for any offense your group could have taken. For me its enuff to deserve polite posts.
 
<S> to you Lucchini

[busc]

si lo so che so si scrive senza accento, almeno lo so adesso  ...ho appena controllato sul vocabolario....quindi non fare il rompiballe sull argomento

[gatt]

Man, I'm really happy to be Knight and to be able (sometimes) to shoot down some big mouths  

Busc, this is an international forum. Be kind, post in english or move this thread away from here.

I'm not more cultured than Drago, but the more I read his and yours posts, the more I think so.

And if you dont like my reviews and articles on Virtual magazine, dont read them and save money. Then, ask Drago to write something about on-line sims. Lets see.

 

[Naso]

Escuse me, my english friends, but i have to write in italian to be as clear as possible  

busc, lampo, drago, lucchini...

Per quel che mi riguarda, non ho niente contro nessuno di voi e alcun altro componente del primo gruppo, anzi, con molti di voi ho passato dei divertenti momenti sul newsgroup ed altrettanto intensi momenti nell'arena storica ed in main, ed ho tutta l'intenzione di continuare su questa linea.
Tutte le polemiche che si sono scatenate tra alcuni componenti delle nostre squadre sono originate da meri malintesi ed interpretazioni di quanto un pò frettolosamente detto, ed è folle, oltre che stupido, coinvolgere le intere squadriglie in questa guerra personale senza senso.
Siamo qui per divertirci, non per stabilire chi è il migliore (almeno quasi tutti), distendiamoci divertendoci, e facendo attenzione a mantenere una allegra rivalità, senza arrivare ai discorsi "il mio è più grosso del tuo", specie in pubblico, cosa che ci fa fare le solite figure di merda internazionali.
Ormai ci siamo guadagnati un certo rispetto in questo sim, non perdiamolo comportandoci da macho traboccanti di ormoni.
E se avete motivi privati di astio risolveteli in privato, come è giusto che sia.

<S> a tutti, primo e quarto.  

and <S> all pilots in AH.  

Naso
4° stormo CT

[gatt]

NASO  ,
what the heck are you doin' with my Ray-Ban sunglasses ... dismissed!  

[busc]

Dear Naso,
           
I dont know why gatt is goin on insultin people, but, as u correctly said that is only a personal problem, as i previously explained im not interested in goin on in this discussion, I just conclude sayin this: gatt started this thing insultin people without any reason and still in his last post he is insultin people, all this mess was foolishly caused by him and is goin to be wisely stopped by other people.
Take your conclusions, i got mines.
One of them, oviously, is that gatt  has not enough gutts to duel me, i have no any problem with u or any other members of 4th, i just got upset with Gatt because of his arrogance and lack of self control.

            endin this soap opera,

                                   Busc

[AKFokerFoder+]

Please excuse me for putting in my $.02, but I am new here and don't know all the "rules."

But somehow I just can't seem to find a page that has the AH rules on it.  If one of you would be so kind as to post the url for these rules, I will go and read them.

There must be a rule #1424247.09a somewhere that says you are not supposed to shoot a on-coming bogey.

Are there other rules that I don't know about?

Like don't bounce another bogey if he is already engaged?

Don't drop bombs on a field if planes are taking off?

Don't shoot a bogey unless you are on his 3-9 with no more than 50 mph of speed advantage, and you inform him of your attack at least 60 seconds over the comms?

No shooting of M16s unless they have advanced warning of my attack so they can bring their guns to bear?

You see, I guess I play like a dweeb, I've only been here about 3 weeks.  

I though that when you have a firing solution, you take it.  Aparently this is only acceptable from behind the bogeys 3-6 line or, [slap me I am soo stupid   ] is it behind the 4-8 line? 5-7 line???  I thought that this was a War sim where the rule was kill or be killed.  I mean I have had all kinds of pilots [stupid me, here I thought they were flying good BNZ tactics] who have dweebishly attacked me with alt, and hit me in front of my 6-9 line.  So naturally, not having read the rules, I though this was a good tactic, [given the damage and flight models of this SIM].  I mean the other flight SIMs I've flow in, you killed anyway you could or died trying.

I have so much to learn, so please give me that url, and I will throw away my well used copy of Robert Shaws book, and start reading the Aces High SIM rules of engagement.

I will also send the url to Robert Shaw, and tell him that he doesn't know spit about "real" aerial combat.

AKFokerFoder+


[This message has been edited by AKFokerFoder+ (edited 06-21-2000).]

[gatt]

Busc,
I wont duel you becouse I dont like you and the way you behave. I have respect for guys able to post politely (Lucchini, that is) even if we have *very* different opinions. Not for you, sorry. Live with it, I can do it. And plz, stop to contact me on private channel and via e-mail with your silly jokes.

<EDIT> uhmm, you talk so much about other's gutts, I wonder if you got your own.


[This message has been edited by gatt (edited 06-21-2000).]