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Offline gatt

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« on: June 20, 2000, 01:13:00 PM »
This late afternoon (GMT+1) I eventually realized how a very-late war plane set affect dogfighting styles in AH.

Today I clashed with some very good pilots and with plain dweebs as well. Which planes were they in? No, no Focke Wulf or F4U-1C ... they were in P-38L's, N1K2's and Spitfires. 4 big cannons or Hispano armed in any case. Most of the people in those wonderful kites go HO. Even if they are in a/c with excellent maneuverability. Even when they have alt/E advantage.

During the last 3 TOD, during about 900 missions, I accepted one or two HO only.

And no, the problem is not that they shoot me down. I usually avoid 90% of the HO's and I usually shoot them down, even if I'm an average pilot. The problem is the crappy dogfight that usually follows. Particularly against N1K2's and Spitfires. You try to avoid their nose, they try to ram you HO with their bullets.

Sorry for the whining but today I'm really pissed off. I really hope that something will change in future realeases, dont ask me what ... maybe cannons, maybe the front-end HO system ... dunno ...  

GATT
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2000, 01:42:00 PM »
Deeep breath, one, two, three, that is weird. What do you think causes that? HO's I mean. I'd think run like heck, But no...they are all supermen and very brave. I should just hate them all...
LOL I can't!
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2000, 01:48:00 PM »
hehe Gatt this game just pisses me off too  

I always avoid shooting head on if the other guy is shooting but if they are trying to avoid the head on and I have a firing solution on em I ussually take it.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2000, 01:49:00 PM »
Gatt, I fly Niki a lot, and that's funny because I always avoid the HO (I suck at it hehehe).

As I recommand to my teamtes, if you don't want to die in a HO, avoid them. HO is a roll of dice, ranging from both survived to all died.

Don't whine after them, because you need to be two to HO  

BTW, if one day you encounter a Niki that avoids HO on first pass, u will know u are fighting the Niki Devil  

Salute gatt.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2000, 02:19:00 PM »
Frenchy,

this is an old story. You dont have to be two. One idiot is enuff (as always).  Why? I recognize an HOer when hes far away. You see their nose pointing at you, they dont search for any lateral/vertical separation.

Then you have to nose down .. he noses down as well to fire at you ... they usually point their nose so down that ... you know what I mean ...  

My squad has the order to avoid any HO. In our radio comms (RogerWilco) you can often hear: "avoid that ... hes an HOer, watch out that one .... hes coming only HO!" IMO, HOers are the dweebest kind of pilots around. And the cannons we have in the arena only make things worst.

And again, I dont talk about Focke-Wulf and F4U-1C pilots, they often cant do anything else ....
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« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2000, 02:30:00 PM »
At the risk of being flamed into the bowels of ****, the above story is a perfect example of why it takes two people to HO.

Fury

(It's physically impossible for an HO unless *both* planes are pointed at each other).
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2000, 02:34:00 PM »

Ok Fury,
now you can teach us what you do when you see a fighter pointing at you without searching any separation. I'm here, tell me.
Ah, and read again what I wrote above. Looks like you are one of them ....
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« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2000, 02:57:00 PM »
I am HO master, just ask Torquila.

thought I'd mention that... ;p
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« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2000, 03:07:00 PM »
Well yah, HO's generally tend to be a dweebish thing to do in the initial merge. But it doesn't seem like a problem for you as you say, you avoid 90% of them. The HO'er is left with terrible angles from which to pursue the fight.

But you say "The problem is the crappy dogfight that usually follows. Particularly against N1K2's and Spitfires. You try to avoid their nose, they try to ram you HO with their bullets."

Now the thing is... in order to shoot someone down, ya gotsta be pointin' yer nose at the other plane. Right?

Since you single out the Spits and Niki's, I'm assuming you were in an energy fighter. Of course the best option for you is to engage nose-tail, where turn rate plays in your favour. You will eventually catch the slower plane.

Now - being in an spit or niki, your advantage is the smaller turn radius. You want to be pressing a nose-nose fight. In other words, you want to turn inside and look for a snap shot while forcing the overshoot. This is what probably is looking like HO's to you.

Thing is... that's the smartest thing for a turnfighter to do when a faster plane is trying to saddle up. It's hardly dweebish, and it's not something to get pissed about. You have other options as an E fighter...they just require more patience. I don't think you really have a right to complain about this style of fighting... when a) it's the best option for the the other plane and b) you don't have to engage on those terms.
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« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2000, 03:19:00 PM »
Fury,
sorry for the harsch words.

Nash,
I partially agree. I fly only the C.205V and I usually E-fight.

Thanks GOD 1.03 is out, the right day. Sorry again for the whining. HOers will ever exist, too bad for them dweebs. I'll hunt them, both in the arena and on channel 1  
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« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2000, 03:28:00 PM »
gatt,

I can assure you, no offense taken here; I've heard much worse in my time  

Since 1.03 is out we've all got better things to do now  

And it may very well be that I have a very loose definition of what an HO is.

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« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2000, 04:00:00 PM »
gatt... it is not your imagination... the slow gameplay and high leathiality of AH contribute to HO's.   Ho's are a viable tactic in a lot of cases but they are only one tactic.   AH has a few viable tactics so the HO becomes more attractive.   Certainly you lose the advantage in most cases but the atraction for a quick kill is strong.   Any lingering or manouvering in AH is risky.
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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2000, 04:16:00 PM »
Lazs

Better get out your copy of Shaw and read about front quarter aspect deflection shooting.



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« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2000, 04:52:00 PM »
That's just about the silliest post you've ever written, Lazs...
Remember the F4U-4B in the WB with the 4 cannons?. The Pre-2.6 190?, 2.6 Spitfire?, 2.75 LW planes?.
Anytime a plane have a significant amount of firepower, you'll get HO's...in both sim, regardless of maneuverbility.

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« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2000, 05:18:00 PM »
Lazs, I've played WB for only a year and I've come up with some unreal tactics. AH is simply WB in my mind; another flight sim. This means you can pull just about anything, provided it works and you don't get killed. After all, I am the same guy who wrote "that" web page by flying only in offline mode. Yeah, I've flown online; for all of 3 hours during a real free bug hunt. Here I've flown online during the BETA only; I'm too broke most of the time to afford paying HT

Anyhoo, check out what I've done in WB here [yes, another shameless plug]: http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6


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