k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl

[SlapShot]

"I'll let go of lassie's tail when he stops being such a jerk on the message boards.

I think we all figured out what your real agenda is ... and it has nothing to do with gameplay.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by SlapShot
"Making ME move back 1 base is selfish on your part. Now I would have longer flight times, and a greater chance of getting intercepted and shot down. That would be a benefit for you, and a disadvantage for me."

You just don't get it. I draw pictures, Lev explains it very succinctly.

Today ..

The base that you want to attack (A12) is 1 sector away from the base that you launch from (A13).

Tomorrow ...

A field (A11) is added between A12 and A13. How is your flight any longer if you leave from the same field (A13) and attack the same field (A12).

Literally ... yes ... you have been moved back 1 base, physically ... no you haven't.

Actually, the proposal was to decrease the distance between fields by 10%, from lassie.  That's the one I am responding to, not to your proposal of cutting the distance in half.

Okey-dokey, math lesson time...

1.......................2.... ..................3

bases 1, 2, and 3 are currently (for the purpose of this lesson) 40 miles apart.  Bases 1 and 2 are mine, three is yours.

If I launch from 2 to 3, and climb at 175 mph, it takes about 14 minutes to get from 2 to 3.  Assume 1200 fpm climb (heavy), and I have climbed to ~17000 ft above base 2 altitude.  If the bases are co-alt, I'm well above the ack, above most of the defenders, and can deliver ord and maybe get out alive.

Now move the bases 10% (4 miles) closer together, per the proposal.  Launching from 2 to 3, the transit time becomes 12.3 minutes, and the alt gain is 14800 feet.  Too close to the defenders, and a drop run will put me too far down in the ack.  I want to be higher than that, so I will launch from 1.

Launching from one, I spend 14 minutes (the same 40 miles) to get to alt, then level and run into target, travelling an additional 32 miles at 300 mph or so.  That's an additional 6.4 minutes for me to travel.  

That gives the defenders 6.4 minutes more to get in position to intercept me.  That means the difference between 50% fuel and 75% fuel in some planes.  That exposes me to at least 6.4 minutes more of fighters on the way out.  All to save a furballer  pilot 2 miles worth of travel time getting to the furball--assuming his opponent saves 2 miles, also.  at 150 mph climb , that's about 48 seconds.

Now who is being asked to make the larger adjustment, here?  Why should I add 13 minutes (assuming two-way travel) to every flight I make to save you one 1 minute 36 seconds?

Play with the numbers as you like, but the results will be similar.  And lassie is still a jerk.  A selfish jerk.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
hubert... I don't want to be rude (sorry rude) but that isn't my tail you have ahold of... I appreciate the sentiment but I am not that way (not that there is anything wrong with that).

If you continue to trample the flowers outside my bedroom window at night I will have to get a restraining order.    I'm sorry but you leave me no choice... no means no tough guy!
lazs

Yup, here we are, back to your latent homosexual fantasy thingie.  At least, I .think it's latent.

Lassie, I don't want to pull your d**k, but I do think you ARE one.

And a jerk.  Never forget that I think you are a jerk.

[Toad]

So, is beet1e really rshubert or not?

[rshubert]

Originally posted by SlapShot
"I'll let go of lassie's tail when he stops being such a jerk on the message boards.

I think we all figured out what your real agenda is ... and it has nothing to do with gameplay.

I have a gameplay agenda, too.  But I do want the whole world to know I think Lassie is a jerk.  A gay jerk, maybe--not that there's anything wrong with that.

Did I remember to mention that lassie is a jerk?

[Toad]

Well, this thread most certainly reflects the presence of a jerk, but it's not Laz.

IMO.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Toad
So, is beet1e really rshubert or not?

No.  Would you please respond to the calculations post, and explain where I am wrong?

And, yes, America...Lassie is still a jerk.

[lazs2]

tough guy... if you took off from field 2 to get to field 3 and they were 10% closer.. you could simply not fly straight to the tool shed you wish to crash into... you could take off from 2 at an angle  and then switch course you could make the trip last exactly the same length of time as if you  10% further away or... even longer if you were on the phone with the florist.... oh yeah... nice of you to send the flowers but I am too old to change.  (not that there is anything wrong with that!).
lazs

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Toad
Well, this thread most certainly reflects the presence of a jerk, but it's not Laz.

IMO.

Now, toad, don't get into the whole name-calling thing we have going on here.  I already have your new nickname picked out, and I don't want to have to use it...

I'm acting like  a jerk (as oposed to actually being one, IMO) to show lassie what it's like to be on the receiving end of the kind of crap he puts out.  He treats other people badly sometimes, and I react to that.  Maybe he will learn something from this, but I doubt it.  Because, after all, and I will say it again...

lassie is a jerk.

[SlapShot]

"Okey-dokey, math lesson time... "

Logic lesson time ... Math is too easy to make what you want it to be ... logic on the other hand is not.

Your example demonstrates that you only prefer to fly to target as "the crow" flys.

Leave base 2 at an angle on your climbout for 3, and adjust angle back to 3 to aquire same altitude and same time travelled. I didn't need any fancy algorythms to figure that one out ... just logic.

This would effectivly take you around the furball, which I think would be good, and you still have everything you need to accomplish the task at hand and the "furballers" have what they need.

Too much to ask that you use the angle climbout so that a lot of people can be happy?



Just noticed laz beat me to the rshubert conumdrum. Geesh .. even a JERK can figure it out.

[lazs2]

geeze.. you people (not that there is anything wrong with that!) take rejection really badly.... Ok, allright... I'm sorry that I'm straight and it has nothing to do with you personaly... I did enjoy the flowers burt will have to turn down the weekend in frisco invitation...   again... nothing personal and I hope you find someone more "like" yourself.  I might have been a little insensitive in my rejection tho so...

 if it makes you feel any better to call me a jerk then go ahead.  go ahead and have a good cry while you are at it... i'm sure no one here will think the worse of you.
lazs

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
tough guy... if you took off from field 2 to get to field 3 and they were 10% closer.. you could simply not fly straight to the tool shed you wish to crash into... you could take off from 2 at an angle  and then switch course you could make the trip last exactly the same length of time as if you  10% further away or... even longer if you were on the phone with the florist.... oh yeah... nice of you to send the flowers but I am too old to change.  (not that there is anything wrong with that!).
lazs

Lassie, the flowers were for you to give to your boyfriend.  Please give them to him.  I know how you guys are sensitive to that kind of gesture--not that there is anything wrong with that.  How's that interior decorating class going?  Meet anybody new?  Be sure to always use protection, since HIV is a plague in the "alternate lifestyle" community.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Listen, i swear that isn't me hanging around outside your window.  Perhaps one of your ex-lovers?  I hear that the "alternate lifestyle" bunch move from companion to companion a lot, a very sad consequence of the  "cruiser" way of life.  Not that there's anything wrong with that.

That is the first sensible answer you have given to a question to date.  I could go wide.  I just don't want to, like you don't want to spend the extra 45 seconds getting to the furball.  The other objections to moving bases closer still stand--isolation becomes more difficult.

And, you're still a jerk.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
geeze.. you people (not that there is anything wrong with that!) take rejection really badly.... Ok, allright... I'm sorry that I'm straight and it has nothing to do with you personaly... I did enjoy the flowers burt will have to turn down the weekend in frisco invitation...   again... nothing personal and I hope you find someone more "like" yourself.  I might have been a little insensitive in my rejection tho so...

 if it makes you feel any better to call me a jerk then go ahead.  go ahead and have a good cry while you are at it... i'm sure no one here will think the worse of you.
lazs

Geez lassie, you really need to get a grip on this fantasy life of yours.  I don't mind being the object of your insane gay lust as long as there is no consummation, so to speak, but you're getting a bit obsessive.  And I would prefer not to know about it, since it makes me feel uncomfortable.

But, I've gotta admit, it is getting very entertaining.  And just goes to show that you are STILL a jerk.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by rshubert


I think I will start a "LASSIE IS A JERK" thread, and get a web site going dedicated to the exploration of lassie's jerkness (is that a word?)

And remove all doubt that you're an ass?  It will be a funny thread but somehow I don't think the joke will be on Laz.


Ack-Ack

[SlapShot]

"I could go wide. I just don't want to, like you don't want to spend the extra 45 seconds getting to the furball.

There ya go ... I knew you had it in you.

You have no interest in gameplay, and your statement proves it. Your agenda is a personal crusade. I'm done with you.