Author Topic: CV vulnerability (Read 622 times)

jEEZY · « **on:** June 11, 2003, 02:51:57 PM »

Why not make CV groups have 2 more destoyers and a smaller carrier along with the rest. Thus a group would consist of 6 destroyers, cruiser, 1 lrg CV and 1 small CV (with limited plane set).

I think this would increase a cv groups defensive and offensive capibility, and leathality in general.

Also Hazed's idea re sqaud carrier groups needs to be implemented.

jeezy

lazs2 · « **Reply #1 on:** June 11, 2003, 04:00:20 PM »

I see nothing wrong with either idea.
lazs

Steve · « **Reply #2 on:** June 11, 2003, 04:19:38 PM »

Great idea... can we harden the cv? If for nothing else than to limit the effect og the suicide jabo?

jEEZY · « **Reply #3 on:** June 11, 2003, 04:28:49 PM »

hardening the cv should be based on some historical data as to the effect of say 1k bombs on the deck etc. That being said US CV's were tough ships capable of taking MASSIVE damage and still fighting. Maybe the answer lies in modeling damage to CVs. Such as hits to certain areas disable differnt aspects of the ship (flight ops, AA, etc)...thereby losing the all or nothing feel to CV damage. In that way increased hardness would not affect game balace as much.

Maybe even have an option of repairs if close enough to home port--although this could be abused.

Mister Fork · « **Reply #4 on:** June 11, 2003, 04:44:13 PM »

CV's just need an actual damage model. Torpedeo should actually sink a carrier or side shots from ground or sea based cannons. Aerial bombs should damage the flight deck (flight hangar), turrets, AAA defences, fuel, and barracks (on-board Marines).

~ dive bombing a CV becomes useless if the flight deck is already down. You would have to hit certain areas on a CV to destroy orr damage other critical areas like ship radar or fuel. Hit it enough from the air and it stops dead in the water and burn like a field does when it's hit.

AtmkRstr · « **Reply #5 on:** June 11, 2003, 05:40:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Great idea... can we harden the cv? If for nothing else than to limit the effect og the suicide jabo?

i don't see how that would help. If they were any harder, it would make it more difficult to knock out by level bombing and torp bombing which would make people more desperate. Therefore, I believe increasing the toughness of CVs would increase the number of 'suicide' jabos.

anyways, back on topic. Good ideas Jezzy

Steve · « **Reply #6 on:** June 11, 2003, 06:50:46 PM »

Well, by that logic.. let's make them softer!

lol

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** June 11, 2003, 06:55:30 PM »

my vote would be to make it so they can't get closer than say 20 miles to any coast. it's parking the cv's on the beach that results in waves of suicide jabos. make part of the fleet detachable - a cruiser or 2 and a few dd's that can roam up to say within a 15 mile radius.

Scootter · « **Reply #8 on:** June 12, 2003, 01:33:26 PM »

guys, (and gals)

They are not going to add to or change AH, as a whole new version in in the works. This version is going away with the new offering and will not be supported, so why ask for things you will never see. You may wait for the new version and then make requests about it but like MS Win95 this version is going bye bye.

in two weeks! hehe

vorticon · « **Reply #9 on:** June 12, 2003, 02:08:08 PM »

im not to sure on this one but it seems there already strong enough without them getting stronger (only real problem is our planes not getting damaged by exploding ack)

what i do know is that a large battleship can be destroyed with a 1 tonne bomb (dropped from stuka) it was a special bomb tho...was designed so that it would hit the deck of battleship peirce through (activating a timer or something) then blowing up below deck and hopefully below watermark thus destroying the ship...(taken slightly out of context from hans ulrich rudel's "STUKA PILOT")

of course increasing CV group sizes would mean completly redoing EVERY group on EVERY map...and also including that smaller cv you mentioned

SlapShot · « **Reply #10 on:** June 12, 2003, 02:57:51 PM »

"This version is going away with the new offering and will not be supported, so why ask for things you will never see. You may wait for the new version and then make requests about it but like MS Win95 this version is going bye bye."

Thats not what I read. This version is not going anywhere ... it will be renamed to Aces High : Classic and will get the new graphics engine, damage model, etc ... but the gameplay WILL remain the same. With that in mind, these ideas still need to be brought forth and possibly implemented.

Shane · « **Reply #11 on:** June 12, 2003, 02:59:55 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Thats not what I read. This version is not going anywhere ... it will be renamed to Aces High : Classic and will get the new graphics engine, damage model, etc ... but the gameplay WILL remain the same. With that in mind, these ideas still need to be brought forth and possibly implemented.

tweeeeeeeet!!!! foul!!! illegal use of clue-stick!!!

5 mins in the penalty box for you!!

Scootter · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2003, 03:23:41 PM »

“That’s not what I read. This version is not going anywhere ... it will be renamed to Aces High : Classic and will get the new graphics engine, damage model, etc ... but the game play WILL remain the same. With that in mind, these ideas still need to be brought forth and possibly implemented.”

That’s Not What HT said

He said this version will be gone when 2.0 is released

AH as it is now will not be supported period.
The New AH (with all its newness) will have a main arena and will have the same structure (or lack there of) and be called Aces High Classic (or some such thing) It will not be 1.11ver4 we have now this will be gone. Just as you don’t boot up Win95 anymore on your PC and you cant play AH ver 1.00 anymore.

My point is you are asking for things that may be non issues in the next ver (2.0) and are therefor pointless (unlike Shane's head)

I think it is far more logical to check out the new version then ask for changes.

There are many posts about a soon to be gone and replaced sim that seem to be a waste of time IMHO.

Shane, sorry about the crack but you are one of the few people I squelch in the MA due to your bellicose attitude and I couldn’t resist.

Shane · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2003, 03:33:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Scootter
Shane, sorry about the crack but you are one of the few people I squelch in the MA due to your bellicose attitude and I couldn’t resist.

lol. isn't this supposedly a game of belligerents?

Scootter · « **Reply #14 on:** June 12, 2003, 03:41:41 PM »

hehe

good point;)

By the way HT also said there will be no patchs or new versions to 1.11 again as it is finished and being replaced.

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