The two vehicles are worthless as is, and even having them in the game leads to frustration as people might hop into them expecting that they will have a prayer against other GV's.  This is not the case, although in FACT I don't think a panzer had much to fear from a M3, M16, or Ostwind- they are easy meat in the MA.  Furthermore, the Panzer will lose its track a .50 or .30 cal bullet comes with 1000 yards of the tank, and the damage does not show up on the damage listing.  
I really do wonder if a .50 caliber machine gun would have ANY effect at all on a tank, I rather doubt it.  Anyway, HTC, please fix the M8 and Panzer (make them at least plausible to use vs. other GVs) or remove them from the game.  Thanks.
[ 10-14-2001: Message edited by: Urchin ]