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« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2003, 11:41:38 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2003, 11:51:16 AM »
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times are bad getting worse tons of layoffs plant closings ect ect ect. saying sunshine will shine out your bellybutton dont make it so. the stock market is the rich counting the spoils sucked out of the working man.

please please check previous voodoo economics presidents. with 2 trillion in tax cuts weighted to the wealthy minority you ( the republican party )own the economy for good or bad you fail again and there will be no excuses about who is to blame next year. agreed?


Blame the Unions...they over-priced themselves..everyone is offloading American over-paid jobs to over seas.

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2003, 11:55:33 AM »
The market discounts the economy by 6-12 months.

At this point, you should not fear equity investing. You must realize, the average retail investor is his own worst enemy. I've been managing retail accounts as well as instiitutional accounts for over 10 years with Prudential and now UBS. Almost invariably, retial investors make the absolute wrong decisions. They buy into rally's and sell into fear.

The indexs as whole, mean nothing. They are simply benchmarks upon which one MAY measure their investment portfolio's performance. Doing so often provides inaccurate readings.

Currently, I am recommending my clients overweight Basic Materials and Information technology, underweight consumer discretionary and Consumer staples and market weight in Financials, Industrials, Energy, health care, utilities and telecommunications.

Corpoarte America must step up on physical capitol and labor. Otherwise, a sustained recovery will be postponed. However, it may be Main St. America Ie small firms, that once again quietly get the ball rolling on hiring. The recent new tax legislation may help this process begin, and big business, as it did 10 years ago, may sumply be waiting for someone else to make the first move in net new hires. If Main St. America steps up, you will see an ever more clear picture of a recovering economy.

Dow 10,000? It's just a number for th papers to print.

Allocate your assets wisely, dividing among equities and fixed income, based on your risk/reqard profile.

Allocate your equity holdings among sectors that have been depressed, and will do well in this current economic enviorment.

Then allocate your sector holding by corporate capitalization.

Stay the course, never give in to fear and greed, and you'll do well.

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2003, 11:57:32 AM »
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Blame the Unions...they over-priced themselves..everyone is offloading American over-paid jobs to over seas.

Not all the jobs going over seas are union jobs.  An American accountant wants $50K/year, a Filipino accountant wants $5/hr.   Who wins?  The labor market is becoming more global than ever, and all western workers' wages will be affected, even those whose jobs stay put.  I don't see the economy coming back until things have stabilized.

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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2003, 12:05:16 PM »
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The stock market, and particularly the Dow Jones, offer only a small glimpse of the aggregate national economy.  For one, Dow Jones (and other stock markets) selectively choose member corporations and routinely delist underperforming organizations.  For instance, IEN was delisted when its stock value fell precipitously.  Stock markets do not typically delist overachieving stocks.

Second, the corporations included in major stock markets do not encompass the whole width and breadth of the aggregate economy.  How can we measure the performance of small businesses through the Dow Jones?  How about home sales?  The massive service sector?  The bond market?  

The stock market is just that... one market comprised of stocks that represents one of many markets constituting the overall economy.

-- Todd/Leviathn


Equities must maintain certain levels of capitalization to be kept on the exchanges.  If they cannot maintain those levels, they are delisted. There is nothing arbitrary about it.

The market, and by that I mean, the overall equity market does watch the sectors you mentioned, quite carefully. Housing starts, existing home sales, GDP, Consumer Sentiment, etc all play into the daily performance of your portfolio.

The bond market is generally inversely proportional to the equity markets, as investors use these vehicles as safe havens when the market turns south, thereby depressing yields, and raising bond prices.

As you stated, the Dow is a very narrow index, and is not indicative of the entire economy. The S&P 500 is a much broader index, and encompasses almost every segment of the Equity market.

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2003, 12:07:51 PM »
Well, personally I made a change of investment recently to reflect a trend of growth, that being small caps and technologies...however I never put all eggs in one basket, so this only made up about 35% change in my existing portfolio. Should be interesting to see how it does a year from now.

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2003, 12:14:14 PM »
By the way, do you know who actually selects the stocks that make up the beloved Dow 30?

An investment committee from Dow Jones, Inc, publisher of the Wall Street Journal. Of course they must meet  certain criteria, but the equities are not chosen by an SRO.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2003, 12:22:12 PM »
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Guys, guys, guys...

Sigh... here are the rules.

If a Republican is in office, and the market goes up, its not a good indicator of the economy.  The inverse is also true; if the market goes down, it is, indeed, a good indicator of the economy.

If a Democrat is in office, and the market goes up, its a fantastic indicator of the economy.  The inverse is also true, but with a twist; if the market goes down, not only is it not an indicator of the economy, but its the previous Republican office holder's fault.....


LOL .. exactly

but I do think this gain is temp

they are going from daytrading to weekly :)
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« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2003, 12:28:00 PM »
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Blame the Unions...they over-priced themselves..everyone is offloading American over-paid jobs to over seas.


This is exactly right

We've had 2 paper mills here go bye-bye because the Unions dont want to cut the pay, or give anything.  Hell, for their bloated wages, those kooky mill owners are lucky they show up on time

I used to sympathize with the Unions.  But after being in a Union and seeing how they gouge members for dues and seldom return phone calls to their members, or visit the work place....and best of all...drive around in cars the members could never afford...its clear the union is off on their own planet.  That's my take on the local Teamsters.  Your region may differ.

I don't like seeing jobs going over seas.  I also dont like state and local government's hammering a business with taxes.

Its all so easy to blame the factory/mill/company.  Yet the same people dont want to pay higher prices for products...required due to higher costs...like labor.

Its a vicious circle people refuse to recognize

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2003, 12:55:38 PM »
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Because he's a democrat.  You have to remember water flows uphill for them....


I'm not a Democrat, but thanks for playing.

You're also confusing a cautionary note with a willfully pessimistic one.

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2003, 12:56:21 PM »
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You do realize that the stock market does not represent the whole economy... right?

-- Todd/Leviathn


I realize that, but it is a major indicator for your average American.  And it's not about facts Todd, at least not with hardcore liberal Bush-hating democrats; it's about preception.  Back when the stock market first dropped, but the numbers for durable goods and housing starts and unemployment numbers all looked strong, Daschle and his ilk were out blasting the airwaves with talk of a "destroyed economy" because of the Adminstrations "dangerous fiscal policies."  It's hard to convince your average Joe that the economy is in the tank when every news show and newspaper shows the Dow and NASDAQ and S&P trending upwards.  The 10K threshold is a powerful psychological mark in and of itself, and breaking it will make the left's calls of fiscal armegedon ring hollow.
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2003, 12:58:49 PM »
Todd, ur smert.

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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2003, 01:08:21 PM »
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I'm not a Democrat, but thanks for playing.

You're also confusing a cautionary note with a willfully pessimistic one.

-- Todd/Leviathn



 No I'm not :)  To be honest I actually see some truth in your statement.   Though I agree with Sabre.  I guess I'm sorry for calling you a democrat :)  Nobody deserves that sort of insult ;)

 The water running uphill part for them is true though.....

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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2003, 01:25:07 PM »
Dow 36,000

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2003, 02:31:35 PM »
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This is exactly right

We've had 2 paper mills here go bye-bye because the Unions dont want to cut the pay, or give anything.  Hell, for their bloated wages, those kooky mill owners are lucky they show up on time

I used to sympathize with the Unions.  But after being in a Union and seeing how they gouge members for dues and seldom return phone calls to their members, or visit the work place....and best of all...drive around in cars the members could never afford...its clear the union is off on their own planet.  That's my take on the local Teamsters.  Your region may differ.

I don't like seeing jobs going over seas.  I also dont like state and local government's hammering a business with taxes.

Its all so easy to blame the factory/mill/company.  Yet the same people dont want to pay higher prices for products...required due to higher costs...like labor.

Its a vicious circle people refuse to recognize


So let's all work for minimum wage, that will cure everyting:rolleyes:
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