Ya just have to love ole Matt Drudge :)

[Udie]

Kerry the liar and hypocrite in 1997....

Kerry 2003: Bush Misled Americans On War; Kerry 1997: Warned Of Saddam Nuclear And Biological Capabilities

In New Hampshire yesterday, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry said President Bush broke his promise to build an international coalition against Iraq's Saddam Hussein and then waged a war based on questionable intelligence.

But 5 years ago, Sen. Kerry seemed to warn of Saddam's nuclear and biological capabilities as he argued the U.S. must do what it has to do, with or without other nations!

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From the official congressional record: Warned Of Saddam Nuclear And Biological Capabilities:

"It is not possible to overstate the ominous implications for the Middle East if Saddam were to develop and successfully militarize and deploy potent biological weapons. We can all imagine the consequences. Extremely small quantities of several known biological weapons have the capability to exterminate the entire population of cities the size of Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. These could be delivered by ballistic missile, but they also could be delivered by much more pedestrian means; aerosol applicators on commercial trucks easily could suffice. If Saddam were to develop and then deploy usable atomic weapons, the same holds true."  (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

Use Of Force Against Saddam Justified To Prevent WMD Production:

'[Saddam Hussein] cannot be permitted to go unobserved and unimpeded toward his horrific objective of amassing a stockpile of weapons of mass destruction. This is not a matter about which there should be any debate whatsoever in the Security Council, or, certainly, in this Nation."(Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

Military Force Should Be Used Against Suspected WMD

"In my judgment, the Security Council should authorize a strong U.N. military response that will materially damage, if not totally destroy, as much as possible of the suspected infrastructure for developing and manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, as well as key military command and control nodes. Saddam Hussein should pay a grave price, in a currency that he understands and values, for his unacceptable behavior. This should not be a strike consisting only of a handful of cruise missiles hitting isolated targets primarily of presumed symbolic value."  (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

U.S. May Have To Go It Alone To Stop Saddam:

"Were its willingness to serve in these respects to diminish or vanish because of the ability of Saddam to brandish these weapons, then the ability of the United Nations or remnants of the gulf war coalition, or even the United States acting alone, to confront and halt Iraqi aggression would be gravely damaged."  (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)

U.S. Must Do What It Has To Do, With Or Without Other Nations:

"[W]hile we should always seek to take significant international actions on a multilateral rather than a unilateral basis whenever that is possible, if in the final analysis we face what we truly believe to be a grave threat to the well-being of our Nation or the entire world and it cannot be removed peacefully, we must have the courage to do what we believe is right and wise."  (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 11/9/97, pp. S12254 -S12255)


 liar liar pants on fire!

[Arfann]

Wow, that Drudge dude must be some kind of genius or super spy or something. He actually discovered a poitician who lied and was hypocritical?  Amazing! If he keeps up the snooping he may find one who starts a war and screws the economy into the ground to pay-off his cronies!!


Naw, he probably won't at that.

[Udie]

Yeah that economy is just terrible.  I guess that's why my office has picked up 2 $750,000 multi-year land development projects in the past 2 weeks.

 This weekend I think I better hit all the malls and shopping markets here in Austin and warn all the people who are shopping not to spend their money because the economy is so bad.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Arfann
Amazing! If he keeps up the snooping he may find one who starts a war and screws the economy into the ground to pay-off his cronies!!


Naw, he probably won't at that.

You don't get out much do you?

"US leading economic indicators rose 1 percent in May, "finally" pointing to a recovery, the Conference Board said Thursday. Eight of the 10 indicators increased in May, led by money supply, consumer expectations and stock prices. Two other indicators held steady in May. Economists expected a gain of 0.7 percent after April's 0.1 percent gain."

"Initial jobless claims fell by a larger-than-expected 13,000 to a five-week low of 421,000 in the week that ended June 14, the Labor Department said Thursday. The four-week average, which smoothes out weekly fluctuations, also declined -- by 3,000 to 432,000."

"The number of workers drawing unemployment benefits for more than a week dropped by 62,000 to 3,721, 000 in the week of June 7, the latest period for which those numbers are available. The unemployment rate for workers with unemployment insurance dropped one-tenth of a percentage point to 2.9%."

"In all, 44 states and territories reported an increase in unadjusted initial claims for the week of June 7, while eight reported a decrease and one reported no change. California reported the biggest increase, a gain of 10,125 claims that it attributed to layoffs in the trade, service and manufacturing industries. Mississippi reported the biggest decrease, a decline of 533 claims."

http://news.morningstar.com/news/DJ/M06/D19/1056032460681.html

[10Bears]

About a dozen U.S. servicemen have been killed by hostile fire in Iraq since President Bush declared major combat over on May 1. American military commanders in Iraq say attacks on their forces happen daily, though one commander on Tuesday dismissed the fighting as "militarily insignificant"

At the Pentagon, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on Wednesday sought to put a new perspective on the recent deaths and injuries in Iraq, pointing out that Baghdad is a big place with a lower violent crime rate than Washington, D.C.

"You've got to remember that if Washington, D.C., were the size of Baghdad, we would be having something like 215 murders a month," said Rumsfeld. "There's going to be violence in a big city."

CBS News


sigh... nothing matters..

[Udie]

Originally posted by 10Bears
CBS News


sigh... nothing matters..

  What does that have to do with this thread?  Unfortunately I expect there will be many more US deaths in the war on terror.  Thus far it is much lower than what I had expected, Thank God.

[ra]

But 5 years ago, Sen. Kerry seemed to warn of Saddam's nuclear and biological capabilities as he argued the U.S. must do what it has to do, with or without other nations!

This just proves that Bush was already lying to Kerry years before he even became president.  He had it all planned.

[10Bears]

Rummy seems to be equating our fighting men and women to street crime in Washington D.C. that's all...

To get back to the thread.. here's what Kerry said.

Kerry supported the war and said Wednesday, ''I'm glad Saddam Hussein is gone.'' But the Massachusetts senator has criticized the president's diplomatic efforts. He that concern Wednesday saying Bush had alienated U.S. allies in the runup to war.

As for the question about U.S. intelligence, Kerry said he has led the call for a congressional investigation and pledged, ''We will get to the bottom of this.''

Boston


So the question is.. why was the intelligence so bad?.. Let's ask Stan Turner..

WASHINGTON — Former CIA director Stansfield Turner accused the Bush administration Tuesday of "overstretching the facts" about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in making its case for invading that country.
Turner's broadside adds the retired admiral's name to a list of former intelligence professionals concerned that the CIA and its intelligence reports were manipulated to justify the war. Since Baghdad fell April 9, U.S. forces have been unable to find chemical and biological weapons the White House said were in Iraq.

USA Today

Opps! guess we don't wanna ask him!.. Let's find somebody else with more creditability. I know... Clare Short

Senior figures in the intelligence community and across Whitehall briefed the former international development secretary Clare Short that Tony Blair had made a secret agreement last summer with George Bush to invade Iraq in February or March, she claimed yesterday.

In damning evidence to the foreign affairs select committee, Ms Short refused to identify the three figures, but she cited their authority for making her claim that Mr Blair had actively deceived the cabinet and the country in persuading them of the need to go to war

Gardian

Umm.. Ms. Short's testimony won't work either

[Arfann]

Originally posted by Udie
Yeah that economy is just terrible.  I guess that's why my office has picked up 2 $750,000 multi-year land development projects in the past 2 weeks.

 This weekend I think I better hit all the malls and shopping markets here in Austin and warn all the people who are shopping not to spend their money because the economy is so bad.

Amazing! Big business enjoying their breaks. Enjoy it while you can. With deficit spending someone gonna pay the piper sooner or later.

Yep, the sheeple gonna run out with that big $400 tax break and clean out the malls, unaware of the fact that their kids'll be paying for it.

[Arfann]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
You don't get out much do you?

Define "get out".

[Udie]

Originally posted by Arfann
Define "get out".

Out of the closet

[JBA]

Originally posted by Arfann
Amazing! Big business enjoying their breaks. Enjoy it while you can. With deficit spending someone gonna pay the piper sooner or later.

Yep, the sheeple gonna run out with that big $400 tax break and clean out the malls, unaware of the fact that their kids'll be paying for it.

Deficits have NEVER led to economic down turns or increases in the interest rates. Go read a history book on economics. Tax cuts have never led to economic down turns.

Entitlement SPENDING leads to economic down turns.

After Kennedy’s 2.8% GDP tax cut the revenues grow.
After Reagan’s 3.3% GDP tax cut revenues grow from 500B to 900B in 10 years.
After Bush 1% GDP (first tax cut) and .25% GDP tax cut. That’s right 1.25% combined GDP tax cut which makes them the third and fourth largest not the LARGEST as the media like for you to believe. It also makes them the third and fourth we ever had.
We will see revenues grow once again. And then Hillary can win in 2004 and run the country into the ground like her husband did. And then we will elect a Republican to fix it again. Same old cycle.

[JBA]

Tom Daschel and Dick Gephart are also on record of saying the same things.

It’s ok to bomb a country with flimsy reasons (impeachment vote, Monica story braking) when a Dem is in office.
Afgan, Haiti, Serbia, Bosnia, Sudan

But God forbid you decide to actually take action against terrorist.
Do I need to post the links to Clintons inaction to get Osama?

[Udie]

Originally posted by Arfann
Amazing! Big business enjoying their breaks. Enjoy it while you can. With deficit spending someone gonna pay the piper sooner or later.

Yep, the sheeple gonna run out with that big $400 tax break and clean out the malls, unaware of the fact that their kids'll be paying for it.

 Hmm I don't think we are a big business. We have less than 60 employees in the company and it's owned by 2 individuals.

 Please enlighten us to how somebody getting $400 of thier own hard earned money back will cause their kids to have to "pay for it"?   I know that we tax payers will be paying for the $400 tax credit for people who don't pay taxes.   And you are right the $400 rebate + the what was it 2-3% cut is not enough.  Next year we'll have to go for more.

[Steve]

Time for Arfann to abandon this thread or try to hijack it.  He's faced with hard facts, as a dem supporter he can do nohting else.