Author Topic: Germany, Italy and Japan in WWII (Read 1331 times)

NUKE · « **on:** June 30, 2003, 07:41:31 PM »

Countries that were just plain evil not that long ago.

Russia was a pretty evil player too, until Germany back-stabbed them. Until that point, Russia could care less what happened to the UK and the Allies.

I'm just wondering if modern citizens of Germany, Japan, and Italy are regretful for the actions their countries took during WWII.

Im also wondering if anyone in those countries still remembers how much the USA and our allies did for them after that war was over.

A lot seem to think the USA is hell-bent on world domination, yet our history proves otherwise.

It seems to me that a lot of people on this earth should be thankful that the US , and not some other power, is as strong as we are today. A lot of people just don't understand the USA and never will........until they move here, which many still seem to want to do.

devious · « **Reply #1 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:08:12 PM »

The rise to power of the NSDAP, and their reign were the worst time germany ever had to endure.

It`s just plain insane, murdering 6 million jews, mentally ill, "Sub-Humans", and germans FUNCTIONED as KZ guards. Mengele. The Gestapo. "Gleichschaltung". The Hitler youth. The Nazi ideology.

Labor slaves, "Vernichtung durch Arbeit" - Destruction by work.

"Arbeit macht frei" - Work frees - Signs on the KZ gates.

And (near-to) noone cared - listen to the "do you want total war" speech !

Driving a country to a war it is unable to win - "Götterdämmerung"....

Starting to bomb civilian population.

Unspeakable experiments on humans.

The Nazi bull**** still living on, old Nazis and Neo Nazis in key positions of the society.

Get some of the original propaganda material from the time, visit a KZ if you got a chance. It turns my stomach.

I can`t put the whole picture I have in a BBS post.

BUT - yes BUT

The USA have been starting to look a LOT like nazi germany in the recent time.

TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS.

Defining who is a "terrorist state" and by self-righteousness waging war.

Prison camps outside of legislation.

The "you`re either complying or our enemy" attitude.

Ignorance of other opinions.

Because the germans know the signs of a totalitarian state, and the horrors of war, it was they didn`t support the US unilateral attack on Iraq - not because we liked Saddam.

This is why the "Responsibilities of freedom" speeches scare me.

We germans today are (except for the still existing Nazi bastards) thankful for having been liberated. We know the price, on german and other sides.

And generally, we don`t want ANY problem to be solved by war.

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Ok it`s 4 am here and im drunk. I still think the post displays my opinion, but there`s lots more to be said. So take it as a spontaneous answer outlining my atm somewhat bubbly mindset.

Furball · « **Reply #2 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:11:54 PM »

devious · « **Reply #3 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:15:53 PM »

NUKE · « **Reply #4 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:38:54 PM »

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Because the germans know the signs of a totalitarian state, and the horrors of war, it was they didn`t support the US unilateral attack on Iraq - not because we liked Saddam.

We know the signs of a totalitarian state and the horrors of war as well, and Iraq had many of similarites to Nazi Germany that you have listed, the US does not. Which do you think more resembled Nazi Germany, Iraq or the US?

Why would you not side with the US getting ride of Saddam?

My theory is that the people that are against the US going into Iraq really have no argument other than that they are upset that they didn't have a say in the matter. All logic would seem to point to the fact that Iraq was run by an evil goverment and that Iraq is better off without it's former government.

devious · « **Reply #5 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:51:01 PM »

We have the UN for deciding on who gets whacked. They weren`t so convinced about all the weapons of mass destruction stuff - I`m not so convinced now.

As I posted here before the war, I am (was) all in favour of getting rid of Saddam and his regime. Because he repressed the country and murdered helpless civillians, and had used WMD.

Attacking Iraq for - as it seems - nonexistant reasons is not far off Adolfs "Since 4:30 this morning we`re shooting back" when he attacked Poland.

I`m still wondering why they didn`t finish the job the 1st time.

Sure the UN had / has a problem showing resolve, but it was founded (under heavy US involvement) to end the days of ONE country deciding on when it`s time to go to war.

NUKE · « **Reply #6 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:51:16 PM »

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And generally, we don`t want ANY problem to be solved by war.

Guess what? Some problems are only solved by war.

NUKE · « **Reply #7 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:55:34 PM »

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We have the UN for deciding on who gets whacked. They weren`t so convinced about all the weapons of mass destruction stuff -

The UN was convinced enough to offer about 17 resolutions that never were complied with.

You can't tell me that the US was acting like Nazi Germany and Iraq was victom.

NUKE · « **Reply #8 on:** June 30, 2003, 10:00:58 PM »

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Sure the UN had / has a problem showing resolve, but it was founded (under heavy US involvement) to end the days of ONE country deciding on when it`s time to go to war.

What other wars in the world today are in violation of UN approaval? It's a joke, like the UN.

Iraq started the war BTW, in violation of the UN's right to decide when ONE country can go to war.

devious · « **Reply #9 on:** June 30, 2003, 10:08:19 PM »

Nuke,

right, some problems can only be solved by war.

But a resolution to go to war should have been decided by the UN.

As it stands ATM, the reason Bush presented for going to war did not exist. The weapon inspectors that were there before the 2nd war did not find anything (as I posted back then, the inspectors should have had UN military with them to FORCE inspection of the sites the Iraqis were hauling stuff away from...)

If the US goes in for any unproven reason, IMHO yes it`s not far off nazi germany methods. Not the same, but not far off either.

Because when one single country decides to start (I`m not talking about direct opposition to an enemy attack) a war, the reason can be anything. WMD, "Volk braucht Raum", anything. Those days should be over.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** June 30, 2003, 11:51:39 PM »

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devious · « **Reply #11 on:** July 01, 2003, 12:22:07 PM »

Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** July 01, 2003, 12:46:21 PM »

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Originally posted by devious
Nuke,

right, some problems can only be solved by war.

But a resolution to go to war should have been decided by the UN.

So, 11 years and ump-teen "resolutions" by the UN, none of which were fullfilled...what the hell, draw up another! Here's to wishing!

AWMac · « **Reply #13 on:** July 01, 2003, 01:04:14 PM »

Right...We should have given Saddam another U.N. Resolution just to...

POOP ON !

CyranoAH · « **Reply #14 on:** July 01, 2003, 01:05:21 PM »

One can only wonder why the defenders of freedom let the military dictatorship go on for so many years in Spain. Wait, they didn't let it go on, they supported it.

Why? Oh of course, silly me, because it was ok with their interests at the time.

The US, as any other superpower in history, will do as they see fit to make the most of their superiority. They have better marketing, that's for sure.

Daniel