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Offline BNM

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« Reply #90 on: July 23, 2003, 06:04:03 AM »
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15-20 isn't many.

Hehehe. Sorry but that shows my interest in buffing. Never liked it much. Way too boring but gave it a try... If I can't do something in a video game in 15-20 tries, it's a joke. :)

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« Reply #91 on: July 23, 2003, 06:50:59 AM »
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« Reply #92 on: July 23, 2003, 10:31:26 AM »
Bombing isn't hard if you will spend at least one session in the Training Arena.  The Green "X" training site there will help you verifiy your calibrations without requiring you to even actually drop any bombs.  The green "x" in the site will always show where your bombs will/would hit.

For me the difficulty is not the issue, it just isn't fun to do.

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« Reply #93 on: July 23, 2003, 11:31:55 AM »
Bigger and better explosions would make it more fun, wouldn't it?

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« Reply #94 on: August 02, 2003, 11:27:31 AM »
Old bomb site... used to fly bombers quarter of the time.
 
New site... can't hit with any sort of accuracy. Spent hours in the TA, calibrating with all the board hints and directions. Everytime, I'd look down at the green cross on the ground, it was at varying offsets, up to a thousand or so feet forward, back, to the side of the Norden cross hairs. I tried every possible calib proceedure. Start from 20 miles out, follow a point for 30 to 40 seconds, click on a sea level altitude field, don't touch a thing, look down and the green cross was off from the cross hairs by 100 feet sometimes, and a quarter mile at others... even over water with the zero altitude offset. There never seemed to be any rhyme or reason for the offsets

Now I never use a bomber. Maybe it's my old analog joystick equipment that the Norden can't be calibrated with. Don't know. But, bombing is just zero fun in the game for me. If I could at least get the Norden to calibrate in the TA, I know it would be fun to use in the MA. I do like the calibration proceedure stuff.

Maybe the Norden ability to calibrate depends on a person's system set up. Some people seem to have no trouble calibrating, and others find it impossible. I just know on my old P3 500 mhz machine with the old analog CH gameport connection, I can't calibrate the Norden in the TA to get the green target impact cross to line up with the Norden cross hairs even close.

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« Reply #95 on: August 02, 2003, 08:45:24 PM »
I kill cv's with ease in b17s or B26s ...from 7k 10k...


I pinpoint baaraks-ammo-fuel..with salvo 1....


you must be doing somthn very wrong...

many players in our squad bom very well....


This bomsight is very usable


i drop on moving targets....and kill them..95% of time..

I am a CV killer if needed

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« Reply #96 on: August 02, 2003, 09:53:57 PM »
BigB:

Curious to know if you're using a USB joystick system and a high speed connection. Also, what sort of frame rates are you getting near airports. I spent so much time in the TA trying to get the Nordon down... drove me totally nutty. Tried, B26's, B17's, Lanc's... for many many hours. Very frustrating.

Like I mentioned, some people have no probs calibrating, others do. It might be some sort of joystick deadzone setting... maybe... or joystick curves. Or maybe frame rate issues. My machine really starts chunking to less than 10 fps near an active field. Or just my lack of talent with this thing.

But, I know from experience in developing and testing flight sims that some of the old joystick potentiometers could get a bit noisy over time. With some joysticks you could watch the calibration cross start dancing around the Windows calibration Test window. (Humm... just for the heck of it, just checked my joystick Test calibration... the cross is dancing a tiny bit, but within deadzone values. Might have to try a digital USB joystick.)

Anyway, curious to know what sort of hardware you're running on.

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« Reply #97 on: August 02, 2003, 10:20:43 PM »
pretty basic...

dialup 56k... pings usually 200

p4  1.6 gig

saitek cybork digital usb

frame rates 30-70 fps..

ati 8500..i have crappy screen

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« Reply #98 on: August 03, 2003, 07:05:40 AM »
It's not the setup. What makes the difference is ignoring the 2sec to calibrate shown in the bombsight's HUD, and calibrate for 20 or 30 seconds - after alt and speed are constant.

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« Reply #99 on: August 03, 2003, 08:43:08 AM »
Tried 20-30 sec. Still same prob. Just spend 2 hrs in TA after recalibrating analog joystick system, trying to line up impact point with cross hairs. One in eight or so tries will line up. All the others were off by couple hundred feet or so, either forward or aft. My pitch axis seems to have a slight bit of noise, but not sure if that would mess up the Norden calculations. One would think that the calculations were based on the crosshair view as opposed to joystick positions. Don't know. Tis rather frustrating.

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« Reply #100 on: August 03, 2003, 09:18:55 AM »
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OK so when in calibration mode, you can move the crosshairs  left and right as well, but that's rather pointless, yes? because the plane will not allow the bombardier to make course corrections, so...whats the point?

I'm a fighter jock anyway....bombing is more frustrating now than ever. Gimme a loaded corsair and I'll level 90% of the town...give me 3 lancs, and I'll miss by 5 miles.

Go figure,

Gainsie


In calibration mode, moving the crosshairs has no effect on the plane. The crosshair has to move in all directions so that the you can pick a spot on the ground to hold them on while the site calibrates.
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« Reply #101 on: August 03, 2003, 09:24:42 AM »
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Tried 20-30 sec. Still same prob. Just spend 2 hrs in TA after recalibrating analog joystick system, trying to line up impact point with cross hairs. One in eight or so tries will line up. All the others were off by couple hundred feet or so, either forward or aft. My pitch axis seems to have a slight bit of noise, but not sure if that would mess up the Norden calculations. One would think that the calculations were based on the crosshair view as opposed to joystick positions. Don't know. Tis rather frustrating.


One thing to be SURE of is that your stick has NO spikes. I get spikes in all my controllers and this makes for zero chance of success with the bombsight.

BTW, the Norden was intend to take the strat buffs out of the tactical roll. In this respect, it has only had limited success. Personally, I would prefer changes be made to the strat system than to the bombsight. If changes are made to the bombsight...simplify the proceedure (and take the fargin stick out of the process!!).
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« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2003, 03:49:12 AM »
make very sure u do not let go/ move stick before u release your calibration button...

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« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2003, 08:04:00 AM »
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make very sure u do not let go/ move stick before u release your calibration button...


Sorry BG but this is totally incorrect.  You can do anything you like with the crosshairs between the time you start your mark and end so long as the beginning and end are on the same point.  It's simple Trig.
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« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2003, 08:16:37 AM »
One thing ive found is that after I mark my spot and hold it fer 10+ seconds (I usually mark whatever i see first when i enter calibration mode--which is straight down)--I hold that mark for a 3 count after I let off the mark button..then let GO of stick..wait 2-3 MORE seconds..THEN hit "U" to end calibration--if it all doesnt go perfectly..do it all over agin. (and if ya are having to move crosshairs sideways during calibration to hold mark..then you are above 16k, and hitting specific buildings, instead of some girly target like depots..is less then likely;)
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