Author Topic: guess who is selling those guns (Read 1525 times)

JBA · « **on:** July 11, 2003, 09:28:31 AM »

It is true that in the US we own more guns per person 67 per 100 compared to Europe 17 per 100.

But guess who is selling those guns.

I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS IS SMALL FIRE ARMS NOT MILITARY WEAPONS. SORRY FOR OMITION.

Sources: U.N. Graduate Institute of International Studies (Geneva)

EXPORTS IMPORTS

EUROPEAN U.   42%          30.5%
NORTH AMER   33%          29.6%
NON E. U.      17.4%          17.4%
SOUTH AMER.   5.0%          5.99%
N.E. ASIA      3.1%          4.76%
CENT/SO. ASIA   2.4%          2.93%
MIDDLE EAST   1.7%          2.63%
SUB SAHARA   0.8%          2.32%
S.E. ASIA      0.4%          2.2%
PACIFIC      0.2%          1.65%

Dowding · « **Reply #1 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:30:57 AM »

Clinton?

Yeager · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:37:35 AM »

So our friendly Euros, who do not as a general rule arm themselves (something about being more evolved.....), are manufacturing more firearms than the most heavily and well armed civilian populace in the western (aka evolved) world, the US.

No surprize there.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:40:01 AM »

Well one can't blame the US for wanting superior imported products for their military - I refer to.

HK 9mm smg - German
MAG 7.62 lmg - Belgium
Beretta 9mm - Italian
AT4 - Swedish I think
SAW 5.56mm - Belgium
M256 120mm - German
M68 105mm - British
Chobham armour - British

Dowding · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:44:27 AM »

No surprise where?

That companies like to make money? That "where there's a market, there's a profit"? That capitalism is the cornerstone of Western Democracy i.e. Western Europe? That some Americans find the idea of other people (particularly Europeans) making money through capitalism distasteful?

I'll mark a tick against that last one...

I'm sure those that own the arms manufacturers are not the ones who advocate gun control. Beetle probably isn't on the board of directors for H & K. In fact, European arms manufacturers would dearly love gun control to be lifted across Europe. They probably fund lobbying groups that push for that very ideal.

JBA · « **Reply #5 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:44:28 AM »

I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS IS SMALL FIRE ARMS NOT MILITARY WEAPONS. SORRY FOR OMITION.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:46:14 AM »

Silly rabbit.

If Europe exports weapons, they are making a profit.

If the United States exports weapons, we're imperialist, Nazi, warlike, babykilling liars.

Get with the program, mate.

Yeager · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:52:39 AM »

Typical euro backstabbing double faced smack talking.

Dowding · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:56:40 AM »

There's some froth at the corner of your mouth, but at least the knee-jerk reaction is in tip top condition.

lazs2 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2003, 09:58:51 AM »

yep... allmost all semi auto handguns are euro imports. The Colt and Colt clones are still mostly U.S.

I like revolvers tho and the revolver market is dominated by U.S. arms.

I have no roblem with quality euro firearms imports... too bad their own people are deprived of enjoying such qulaity arms.

lazs

midnight Target · « **Reply #10 on:** July 11, 2003, 10:01:58 AM »

Excuse me Euro bashers....

But do ya think they would sell em if we didn't buy em?

Since when is capitalism a bad thing?

Do ya think it would be OK for someone from Columbia to be against drug usage in the USA?

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 11, 2003, 10:11:17 AM »

MT... I certainly am not bashing the euros over it... I commend them and thank em but.... If they all feel that armed citizens is such and evil thing (or at least handguns)then...

selling us firearms is akin to us selling all our cigs and DDT laden pesticides to mexico and central America.
lazs

capt. apathy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 11, 2003, 11:51:11 AM »

I don't think anybody begrudges them the right to make a profit.

it's the hypocritical "you shouldn't be allowed to own guns. would you like to buy a pistol" attitude that makes the figures somewhat ironic. if the owning of firearms is wrong why would they put more on the market?

Erlkonig · « **Reply #13 on:** July 11, 2003, 12:47:31 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
I don't think anybody begrudges them the right to make a profit.

it's the hypocritical "you shouldn't be allowed to own guns. would you like to buy a pistol" attitude that makes the figures somewhat ironic. if the owning of firearms is wrong why would they put more on the market?

You don't suppose European gun manufacturers are the same ones opposing private ownership of guns, do you?

Nash · « **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2003, 01:36:38 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
"...somewhat ironic. if the owning of firearms is wrong why would they put more on the market? "

Huh?

What Erlkonig said. The people putting more on the market probably aint the ones who think owning them is wrong.