Salute to the Bomber Dudes

[JimBear]

Been offline for the past month or so recharging and checking out that big shiny thing in the sky. Well when I went in last night the Knights looked sorta in a hole (again) and decided to take the rust off by flying Buff intercepts with my squaddies to try and keep our HQ and remaining bases safe from the terror flyers    What do I see, not singletons at 35k but Pairs at 20k and one time even a 3 ship formation at 19k making runs. BEAUTIFUL!! Not only does that look great, but it makes that ol fighter puke immersion factor go way up.
Lord I missed AH, and hope this wasnt a one night deal, cause I cant keep away and that kind of night is a reason. Once again <S> to all of the Bomber Pilots that I met (shot down and shot down by)

LB-HAM!!

JimBear

[Kieran]

Buffs are on the average 25K or so, but the 30K variety are by no means scarce.

[eskimo]

Yes,
<S> to the buff drivers at any alt!

eskimo

[Revvin]

No.9 Squadron RAF fly our buffs at their historical alts, that means our favoured ride the Lancaster does not go above 24k and usually fly at operational alt of 22k, B17's fly at 28k max as was their normal operational alt. Why am I telling you this? well I'm fed up of bombers getting constantly bashed, I wonder why I still play AH when the arcade gamers shout and get what they want, why did I bother starting a bomber squad?? At this point I feel pretty dispondant about my future in AH and while in the grand scheme of things it won't matter a jot if I left today but I know other buff squads will also pack up and leave unless this arcade mentality stops, it happened in Warbirds and now its happening again in Aces High.

Just wanted you to know there are some buff squads out there that want to do it the right way and not game the game   <S>

   

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Revvin
No.9 Squadron RAF

[This message has been edited by Revvin (edited 05-11-2001).]

[aztec]

<S> to you Revvin.

[Saintaw]

Yes, I never shot Sunchasr above 20K  

<waves at Sunchasr> .. hehehe  

<S!>

Saw
[Mass]

[DRILL]

 

Originally posted by Saintaw:
Yes, I never shot Sunchasr above 20K  

<waves at Sunchasr> .. hehehe  

<S!>

Saw
[Mass]

 HEHEH very true hes the best buff stick i know <S> sunchasr ......



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DRILL

[Kieran]

Revvin, I by no means leveled an assault at you or any other buff driver in particular. JimBear made a comment about stratobuffs being noticebly absent in his return, I commented that there are still players who go that high. There are guys that are ok with it, more power to them. I also have the right to say I am tired of chasing nose-bleed alt buffs that fly thoughout the 5-sector area dropping FH's. That doesn't mean I expect you or anyone else to stop it.

Unfortunately I can't just ignore them, as there will be no bases to fly from in short order. In short, you (buff fans) can make me play your game whether I want to or not. You can't make me like it no matter how many names you apply to the way I feel about it.

[Revvin]

My reply was not aimed at you or your response but at threads and replies by the same people (a small number) over and over again. I don't like to see stratto buffs either and will not accept applications from pilots that do. In our forum I have set out kind of 'unffocial rules' that No.9 fly by. We fly at historically accurate altitudes and egress from target properly and don't use quick turn manouvres to get the norden back over target quickly. No.9 Squadron was setup to perhaps redress the balance of the guys in the game that want to give bomber pilots a bad name by gaming the game and I posted my original reply so you guys know there are some squads out there that want to do things properly so we don't all get painted with that same broad brush that is so often applied to bombers wether its Aces High or Warbirds.

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Revvin
No.9 Squadron RAF

[Sunchaser]

Well Jimbear, I was not there last night but since Degas, Kranan, vils and some others have returned or opened accounts bombing has become more interesting.

But Revvin has pretty much stated my present feelings regarding bombers in AH.

I never did the start a squad with webpage and all the trimmings but awhile back there were 8 Mad Bombers subscribed, now there are 3, skipper is still Knight and vils has just returned.
The rest lost interest.

Most of the guys into bombing with me are just hanging out till one of the other 2 options present themselves.

If one or both of them work as anticipated there will be several missing AH accounts.

This is not in any way an AH bash, this is a very stable airplane game but some of us want a bit more WWII sim involved.

The only thing even close are the events many work so hard on but these are too few due to the time it takes to set them up and often have appeal to a certain element and not all.

Thanks Saw and DRILL and dammit DRILL you and that lousy N1K1 really tore me up the other day, my chute got burned and if not for that really fat Knight sheep I woulda splatted.
WTF do you feed them, Bishops?

Be advised though, I have broken the 20K altitude barrier and, at least on this map, the recognized ceilings are just about where I can be found.

That would be around 25-28 in a B17, unless I am done wrecking your stuff, then I will climb till it won't.

In a B26 19.6 is max for me and if you find me in a Lanc at any altitude, just shoot me, I am way too screwed up to be loose.

Barring a miracle,like one of the anticipated sims works as well or better than Aces High for the same or less money, I will be around awhile longer....bombing furballers hangers and hearing the howls on this BB is worth the 30 bucks for now.

I do agree JimBear, SALUTE to ALL the Bomber Dudes.



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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?

[Kieran]

Thanks Revvin. I really do mean that.

[pugg666]

I personally don't see a problem with buffs at 30k....when i'm in a fighter i try to get every advantage possible (alt, speed, E)

why should buff jocks not be aloud to get every advantage they can get??

and don't even talk about the buff guns being to powerfull....Ask my CO midnight about the 4 b-17's and 5 lancs we ran into last sunday night....one of our 51's was downed, but all the buffs were killed
(btw that was 2 seperate flights of buffs)

and to all you buff pilots out there <S>. don't worry about the guys whining about your altitude, keep on climbing i like the challenge  
<edit> just use your brains when going up against buff guns</edit>

   


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Pugg666 XO
Braunco Mustangs

[This message has been edited by pugg666 (edited 05-11-2001).]

[Obear]

I understand the super hi alt buff problem and as unrealistic as it is there is a reason that makes the ability to do so valid to a certain degree.

As a bomber squad or anyone who has freinds that will join them on a buff run, a close formation sencible alt run is both enjoyable and feels right, i have had many a run like this and its great to do things by the book as they were.

But AH has to cater for every occation and not everyone has the time or resorses to make a acurate bomb run. If a base needs a lanc or b17 and its at a quiert time in the arena, there are not enough players to make large buff runs so solo runs are more common. fly on your own at 20k or less and your pretty much cannon fodder for any solo fighter that knows his stuff. I know i play at both time buzy and quiert and when you fly solo at these times you get shot down far more that you make it, and ushally by a lone gun.

You can say its the level of pilots skill, but a 109 comming in fast and at the right angle and a good lock on is not so easy to fight or dodge.

personally i dont often fly much higher that 15k becasue i cant be assed with the time it takes to gain alt lol, but i can understand why at certain times for lone bombers, high alt its the only was to stay alive long enought to make it, unfortunatly its open to abuse.

[Kieran]

Guys, you don't have to justify to anyone the way you fly. As the game pretty much allows it you can't call it cheating per se. It is one of the areas of the game I have never been happy about and haven't found much the past week or so of chasing bombers to make me like it any more, but hey, I am just a player with an opinion.

My reason for not liking them is simple- a one hour flight gives me about enough time to climb to 25K maybe 2-3 times looking for the inevitable buffs that are sweeping large sections of our country. The smart ones run and climb when they see you, waiting for the gas to expire. A few will soldier on through. This gives me the opportunity to actually shoot at maybe five planes an hour, the rest of the time spent climbing and milling aimlessly around staring at the dar. This might be pulse-pounding fun for some, and at times it is ok, but it is all that is happening in Knightland right now. I don't happen to want this to be the only type of flying I do day-in and day-out. And, as I have already mentioned, ignoring them means they kill all the fighter hangars over several bases along the front. Now I can sit in the tower and watch the action!

I don't want to buff. I do occasionally to help the cause, but I don't really care for it. Neither do I GV or skipper. I want to fly fighters, pure and simple.

All that said, I am not asking HTC or anyone to change a thing. I have merely stated a preference and a reason for it.

[RangerBob]

I've placed numerous posts in the past pointing out the unrealistic accuracy of bombers in AH, and the corresponding lack of damage to runways (a more typical target for a level bomber than individual hangars and acks).

The overwhelming response was that these features were needed to allow bombers to be effective in the "Game Environment".

As a result we have more of a "Game Environment" than most bomber enthusiast would really like. That leaves us with pilots willing to fly as high as it takes to be effective, and not many active bomber pilots as there used to be.

Bombing can be a lot of fun, but not the unrealistic picking off of individual acks, deadly accurate Norden, flying at unrealistic altitudes, and having no crater effects on runways etc. These types of features also take away from the importance of Jabo attacks.

Basically, we have a system designed to fit the game. That system was chosen on purpose. It's not a bug, it's a choice. Some of us would prefer something a little bit more realistic, knowing that full realism is, of course, out of the question. Others prefer the more basic "game effects" programmed into the the sim.

I've given up trying to convince the majority, and powers to be, that a more realistic system is better. Presenting ones point of view becomes a whining complaint if it continues against the tide for an extended period of time. I still believe the more realistic changes would do wonders for Aces High, but I will accept the fact that the majority wishes otherwise.

As a result, like Revvin, I will gain enjoyment and satisfaction flying as realistic as possible. I do keep my eye on other flight sims from time to time to see if I might enjoy them more, but always hoping that Aces High will make some bombing changes. I see no need to label others who disagree as something less than acceptable. After all, they are doing nothing more than using all of the tools offered to them by the sim.

Ranger Bob