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Offline Rude

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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2003, 01:51:20 PM »
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dont worry we wont go into liberia. we are just sending a couple guys to make it look like we give a damn, but we dont.


Wrong again buckwheat

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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2003, 01:52:23 PM »
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Grun is right. our economy is much better then japans right now and slightly better then europes. And the only reason why the dollar is doing so crappy right now is because of this currect administrations  Supply Side economic theorys they are trying to put in place. And the Massive unemployeement is caused by them, and greenspans Moneterist policys.

As soon as we get some real economists back in charge things should shape up again pretty quick.


You're so lost...you are amusing though.

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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2003, 02:06:09 PM »
Just a thought,

   What would happen if we (US) just packed up our troops from everywhere closed down our bases. Stopped helping everyone and anyone in need and took care of our own.  We tighten our borders and develop a defense for ICBM's and required trade to be on a level basis. What would happen if we sent no money overseas unless we got something (goods) in return and only sold our food and materials for money (no freebies).

In a word, Isolation.  


No more handouts for anyone, what would that mean to the rest of the world.

If we stopped giving away so much we could stop our dependence on oil and the Mid East could do what they want. I think they would be a greater concern of others then us.

Does the rest of the world want this? Do we?
Why not, it seams we are everyone’s bad guy and sooner or later we may as well take our ball and go home.

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« Reply #18 on: July 15, 2003, 02:27:29 PM »
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Just a thought,

   What would happen if we (US) just packed up our troops from everywhere closed down our bases. ....


it would be 1930's all over again but worse - maybe too much for the US & her allies to stop this time. At least now we can put out the small fires before they flare into big ones..
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« Reply #19 on: July 15, 2003, 02:29:10 PM »
Miko, I think you missed the point, go back and read my post, or maybe it is a language thing.  What you are suggesting, stop paying fat-lazy people to sit around, not work and reproduce  is exactly what I suggested.  Things like mandatory birth controll for people on welfare.  If you can't pay for it dont have it!  

As far as all the endocrine destroying chem. in our food?   I eat mostly what I shoot, I buy very little meat in the market but do sometimes enjoy a good steak.  I do also eat fast food from time to time, the whole trick is this little secrete called "exersise".  Do it and you won't get fat.  

The soy thing in the baby formula?  My wifes milk never came in and we raised our son strickly on soy formula, he is a very healthy, happy boy.  Has never been to the Dr for more than a checkup.  And does not look anything like the michellin man.  

Now for the comment on the young kids developing sexualy at a very young age...  Man you are scaring me, where did this come from???????

The ritilan thing, I think it is a bunch of lazy parents who think there kids are overactive because they are too lazy to keep up with them.  It is all a bunch of crap, and a ploy by the drug companies to sell  more ritilan.

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« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2003, 02:37:39 PM »
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it would be 1930's all over again but worse - maybe too much for the US & her allies to stop this time. At least now we can put out the small fires before they flare into big ones..



Sure but we would keep the big ones at bay and let Europe deal with the crap on that side of the pond. If the flare ups were not on our borders why care.

I think its time we let someone else drive the fun bus for a while, this always buying the gas and food and staying sober is getting old

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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2003, 02:51:10 PM »
so what college did you study economics at rude? foxnews.com? explain to me how im lost. And then explain to me how supply side economic policys will benefit the average american?


Miko, your right to. there is really no way to truely measure if japan is worse off then we are. but there is one thing we do know. They are in a period of deflation and we are not as of yet.

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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2003, 03:32:54 PM »
Scootter: What would happen if we (US) just packed up our troops from everywhere closed down our bases. Stopped helping everyone and anyone in need and took care of our own.

 If that involves ceasing support to all kinds of oppressive regimes, coercive culture transfer and interference in internecine conflicts, then there would be much fewer people out there intent on hurting us.


medicboy: I eat mostly what I shoot...

  I see your "shooting my meat" with my growing vegetables and raise you driving 140 miles to the only farm in lower NY State that is allowed to sell raw milk, bying raw milk from mostly-grass fed Guerncy cows and making sour cream and butter and other stuff out of it. :)

 People - especially those not very smart and educated - tend to believe what their government tells them about safety of the products.

 It does not matter what you eat "mostly".
 You would have to be very well educated to avoid the poisons in the foods that government approves as safe. And if you were educated, the items I mentioned would not be a surprise to you.

 Do you know how many products contain soy derivatives and how harmfull they are?
 Do you know how homogenisation and pasterisation change properties of milk?
 Do you know what "hydrogenation" is and where trans-fats come from if they do not occur in nature?

 Do you know that a modern Holstein cow besides being sick and requiring a lot of antibiotics, has naturally elevated hormone levels in milk/meat even if it is organically grown without bGH?

 I suggest you start with  http://www.westonaprice.org/ and http://www.realmilk.com/ on the nutrition.
 As for american girls reaching puberty 3-4 years earlier, just type in "girls early puberty" into your google search and prepare to be scared.

 Ritalin is not so much "a bunch of lazy parents who think there kids are overactive" but a bunch of government bureacurats in schools that do not want to deal with boys behaving like boys should and scaring parents into drugging their kids under threat of taking their children away:

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Parents throughout the country are being pressured and coerced by schools to give psychiatric drugs to their children.  Teachers, school psychologists, and administrators commonly make dire threats about their inability to teach children without medicating them.  They sometimes suggest that only medication can stave off a bleak future of delinquency and occupational failure.  They even call child protective services to investigate parents for child neglect and they sometimes testify against parents in court.


 Still, the number of boys suffering from real disorders has grown drastically.

 As for soy formula, I certainly hope your son is going to be OK.
 I would recommend you research the issue and watch his thyroid function.

 Do a search on the web on soy. Make sure to check New Zealand Ministry of Health Report


Frogm4n: there is really no way to truely measure if japan is worse off then we are. but there is one thing we do know. They are in a period of deflation and we are not as of yet.

 You are confusing "deflation" with "economic decline" and I am pretty sure you are not using the right definition of "deflation" either.
 "Deflation" is an increase in a stock of money - which is clearly not the case with Japan.

 What they have is a general drop in prices which is confusing the illiterates like rude who cannot tell a yen-expressed value of japanese GDP from the production of real goods.

 Sure, the nominal GDP expressed in yen may be falling but the real one is raising at a pretty decent clip, as well as real private income. Their salaries drop but the prices of their products drop even faster as their productivity grows.

Since early 2000, Japanese real private sector GNP has risen 3.5% overall, and by 2.9% per head, for a modest, but perceptible, annual rate of gain of 0.9%.

For its part, U.S. real private sector GNP grew by an almost identical 3.6% between 1999 and 2002, but, with our population rising four-five times faster than Japanese, income per head in the U.S. barely increased at all over the period.

 You also have to acknowledge that the fruits of previous Japanese prudence—their vast stock of assets held abroad—bring in a good deal of income too.

 In fact Japan subcidises $100 billion of our yearly consumption by selling us products in exchange for dollars that we print and their government  take our of circulation with their tax money.

 miko
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« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2003, 03:45:38 PM »
The problem with alot of the vast holdings overseas is that they were all overvalued when they bought them. But your right once things settle out with overpriced land values and poor investments they still in essence have the 2nd largest economy in the world. It will be interesting to see what happens in the future. latest estimates is that their population will decline to about 80million by 2050.

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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2003, 04:12:29 PM »
Frogm4n: latest estimates is that their population will decline to about 80million by 2050.

 They can always start importing 3rd world immigrants and pretend they are growing in numbers like us.

 miko

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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2003, 04:14:09 PM »
they already have. large Number of koreans. The problem is that the japanese are very very racist. Especially against other asians.

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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2003, 04:17:36 PM »
Medicboy!
You make alot of sense!!
I remember when i worked on the ambulance.
i would get a call to pick someone up at there house.
Now get this because they had a sore TOE!!!
And you know what?
Almost always there would be 2 or 3 of them sitting on the couch
each with a bucket of KFC And each one fat as a toejam house rat.
So you just know that in the very near future you will be coming back to this house to pick up the fatties because now you must drive them to dialysis 3 times a week:mad:

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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2003, 04:21:27 PM »
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so what college did you study economics at rude? foxnews.com? explain to me how im lost. And then explain to me how supply side economic policys will benefit the average american?


Miko, your right to. there is really no way to truely measure if japan is worse off then we are. but there is one thing we do know. They are in a period of deflation and we are not as of yet.


Look....I don't really expect a liberal or socialist like yourself to ever agree with me....still, I'll make an effort.

I'm not a pure supply sider....however, money in the hands of the government is not my bag. Tax cuts are the basis for supply side economics....your argument is that it has never worked....your defense is Reagans years thru the eighties brought huge deficits....I contend those deficits were born out of unbridled spending by democrats and the military build up which buried the Soviet Union.

Liberals want the Government to provide everything....that course merely destroys the work ethic and breeds a society of tit suckers.

Consider yourself a tit sucker in my book.:)

BTW....higher education guarantees no road to excellence....hard work and ambition along with that education will bring positive results.

Your not on welfare are you?

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« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2003, 04:25:49 PM »
Frogm4n: The problem is that the japanese are very very racist. Especially against other asians.

 As long as they are not invading anyone, they may be racist all they want and enjoy whatever consequences.


Frogm4n: they still in essence have the 2nd largest economy in the world.

 Strange that you'd care about that fact. I'd say that per capita GNP would be more important for a person than what place in the world some arbitrarily determined geographical area occupies.

 That is ignoring the fact that GNP is one of the most meaningless and misleading indicators.
 The value is subjective. Japanese may be earning less than we do in dollar or yen terms but how about their expences compared to ours.

 What you really ought to compare is quality of life and consumption of final products and services that was incured voluntarily. Do you know how many things contribute to the dollar value of our GDP that we would rather not pay for if we could?
 Like private weapons and security systems, massive correction system, legal insurance, etc.

 I would not bet that japanese or europeans feel like they live much worse than we do, whatever the numbers say.

 miko

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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2003, 04:34:31 PM »
Your right rude the deficiet was brought about by the defence spending. the result was the small boom of the mid 80's. Of course you figure out the massive tax cuts that came into play and the deficiet ballooned out of control.

Its healthy not to have a ballance budget as long as it is not to out of control. Of course if you had some higher education in economics you would understand the math that goes into the multipliers in government spending versus tax cuts. As well as why a budget surplus is created due to massive government spending on our infrastructure.

We true liberals do not want the government to provide everything. That dosnt work. We understand that a healthy Mixed-Market economy is the best system to date.( Big business does more to fetter the markets then government regulations ever did. ) You have to understand we believe that education and people having jobs is a public good like the fire department or our roadsystem. as is public health. when people have access to all these things it benefits society as a whole, and it creates a healthy economy.

Try not to confuse communism with mixed market socialism. last i checked it was working pretty good in sweden finland and such.