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[kapsyl]

Well coulda been worse:
Christians,jews and moslems
Americans,Europeans and asians
Heterosexuals,homosexuals,and bisexuals
Californians,Texans and New Yorkers (or or the swedes stockholmare,göteborgare och skåningar)
Could think of some really politically incorrect threesomes but i leave it for you to post .
(g,d,r)  

[danish]

Towd:
Chess was known in scandinavia around 900 ac (thereabout most likley imported from Konstantinople, who again got it from The Osmanian Empire.

danish

disclamer: memory

[The Flying Penguin]

id say knights, not because im young, but because i (1.) ride horses (2.) a fan of midevil history (3. ) named after a knight of the round-table  (sir Trystan (the welsh spelling)) (4. ) use the knight to the most advantage in chess.

besides, their cool. =P

-drako

[Dinger]

Um, Penguin, that's mid-evil history.  Get it right.  

[Rolo]

 

Look on the bright side i didn't choose Kings Queens and pawns.

It's good to be King.  Wait for the shake.

Rolo

[Herc]

I'll take the side with the color which blends in best with the sky!  I usually flew gold or purp in Warbirds.  Boy do I miss the range 1 kills from 6 low with the FW190A4.

Herc

[Pyro]

2.knights, you can guess that alot of the new young guys are gonna go knights cause frankly most young people have have no idea what a rook is and probably think bishop is a character from alien the movie. (no offence to the hellfire sqd, im shure they have other reasons than its the only word they know of the 3 hehe)

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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[-towd_]

thanks for the history danish how the hell did it hop from scandinavia constantinople . now im not sayin it didnt, its just amasing  it was there so early in hestory that is wheren beowulf was writen down wasent it? were the rules the same? the pieces? ( for instance the knight was a war chariot in the arab version?)

man i can ask um huh?

ignore me hehe

[danish]

Towd:
Gotta misuse more of my limited memory as my books are not at hand.
700-1000 ac in scandinavia is best known for the videspread naval activity witch took place.There were several main routes by witch these people (Vikings ;=) traveled:
1) North England/Fæøerne/Island/Greenland.It was by this route that North America was found as well.
2)Midt- and South England, Normandie, to some extend via this route also Spain, Southern France, Sicily.This route may have brought direct contact with the Osmanian Empire in Spain or deeper in North African area.
3)Route going via big rivers through Russia, via Novgorod (?) south directly to Konstantinople.For a long period the emperor of Konstantinople had a personal guard only consisting of scandinavians.It was via this route that the main contact with the Osmanians took place.

Scandinavia was at that time split in several (many) small kingdoms, but there are some general agreement that what we today know as Norway was dominating on route 1, Denmark on route 2, and Sweden on route 3.

Plz also remember that these people were selling\buying as well as robbing\murdering - and so some extent also settlers.Was a cas of opertunity ,=)

There has been found chess pieces (and boards ?) several places in scandinavia, and (but now my memery gets close to melt down..) also Greenland.
Little is known as to the actual rules of the game from that time.I beleve the modern chess rules were founded in 17.th centery Europa, with Spain and France as the dominant nations.Around 1840 the pieces and rules were as we know them today - execpt for some minor adjustments.

danish

[Downtown]

I remember something about Chess being developed by Charlemange 700 A.D.

The Game of Kings.

Now they like to romanticize Charlemange, so I could have been someone in his kingdom.

I also rember hearing that the Huns borrowed it from the Chinese, and (Was it Gengis who was a prisoner in Rome) Kahn was a prissoner in Rome (The Ceaser? At the time sent his son to live with the Huns, and Gengis Lived with the Romans, If either group broke the treaty and attacked the other, well the princes would be traded, just a piece at a time) Anyhow so he showed the game to the Romans and it spread around Europe from there.  At some point the Gauls, changed the pieces to the shapes that we are familiar with now.

Now this could be wrong, cause us American's like to win in our history, and if we borrow European History it was because Someone had Won somewhere back there in the past.

Anyhow I don't know how or when the Russians got so damn good at the game.

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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG

[danish]

Charlemange?Huh?

Darn where is =flet= when we need him - hes gotta know.

Anyway, good tales ;=)

I think Ill go bishop, remember: the Church beat them all hehe.


danish

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[Dinger]

Let's see:
The Arabs in Spain would have been under the Ummayad dynasty.  From mid-8th century on the 'Abbasid dynasty was in Baghdad.  I know that in the 11th century Fatimids were in Cairo.  At some point (12th C?) Seljuk Turks come on the scene.  I seem to recall crusader narratives (From 1096 ff) that refer to the employ of Scandinavians by the Byzantines.  We also have coin hordes unearthed up north, I believe dating from the time of the Viking expansion (early 9th century on), which do include byzantine coins.
The Ottomans don't come on the scene for some time, I dunno, maybe the 15th century?
If you do a web search on the history of chess, you get any number of claims.
The most believable (somebody plagiarizing The Encyclopedia of Chess) has it deriving from an Indian came (ca. 6th. cent.), passing through the Byzantine empire, and then the Arabs (after the invasions), and entering the Christian West via Spain in the 10th century.  The claim is that "rook" derives from maghrib "Rokhkh" meaning "chariot", Check straight from Arabic "Shah" for "King" and Check mate from "Shah mat" for "King Helpless".  Modern RUles haven't been around as long.
So it's quite possible that them Scandinavians had them before.

[danish]

Dinger you are cheeting!No help allowed ;=)

About the Osmanian Empire I sure stand corrected : those guys were turks not arabs.

danish

[indian]

Dinger   thanks for the compliment but I am in noway that old or did I invent the game of chess  

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[=OZ=]

Hmmmmm......

1. P-K4

Any Takers?