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Offline JBA

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Are the wheels coming off the GW wagon?
« Reply #45 on: February 08, 2005, 08:27:14 AM »
Notice when I posted this the first time.

07-22-2003 11:42 PM        


Fables of Finance:

Budget: The budget deficit is expected to jump to $450 Billion this year, causing some deficit hawks to warn of a growing “crisis.” Sorry, but the crisis doesn’t exist.

Those who fear the deficit seem surpassingly immune to any lessons from history.

For history shows that most of what we hear about the deficits wrong. This deficit, in the truest sense, isn’t a “record”. It’s not even close. This year the deficit will come in at about $455 billion, or 4.2% of GDP, which is the most meaningful way to measure spending gaps. How big is that?

It doesn’t even make the top five since 1980.

Yet we’re repeatedly warned that record deficits will drive up interest rates. The logic behind that thought, while impeccable, isn’t supported by reality.

Let’s look at the record. At the start of the 1980s-another period of “record” deficits-the 10-year Treasury yield got as high as 15%.
Despite the continued presence of deficits, the 10-year sank to 8% by the end of the 1980s. Interest rates continued to fall during the 1990s. By 2000, the U.S. had triumphed, posting a record surplus. Yet the 10-year Treasury note was still over 6%.
Since then, the deficit has surged. So interest rates have surged too, right? Nope. Long rates are below 4%. It’s pretty clear. If there is any link at all between deficits and interest rates. It’s very weak.

But now that the White House, as one headline put it, “admits” to the “record” deficit, deficit foes say it’s clear something has to be done. But what? In fact, what we’re seeing right now is entirely normal. After an economic downturn, the deficit always gets worse.

It’s a pattern that can be seen in each of the last three recessions. Since 1980, the deficit has averaged 4.5% of GDP in the year after the economy bottomed-just about where it is now.The reason for this is simple. A shrinking economy brings in less money. So the government spends like crazy to make up the difference, and the deficits gets worse.  

So excessive fear of deficits is often used as a bludgeon against good ideas like tax cuts, which inarguably lead to higher growth and a healthier economy. Meanwhile, as those who opose tax cuts wail, Congress is boosting spending at an 8% annual clip.

AS president Bush’s top economist, Stephen Friedman, has noted, just holding the line on that spending for a few years- letting it grow at a pace less then GDP-would cut the deficit to zero in a decade or so. That’s the best way to erase the deficit.

In the meantime, relax. This is no record deficit. Back in 1943, during WWII, the deficit hit 30.3% of GDP. Now, that was a record.
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Re: Are the wheels coming off the GW wagon?
« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2005, 09:31:04 AM »
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A Record Breaking deficit of $455 and $475 Billion (with a capitol B) for the next 2 years has been announced. What effect is this going to have on the already stumbling economy? Is a full blown Recession ready to happen? Accusations of falcified CIA intel and the can of worms that will open. Are the wheels starting to come off the deadlock cinch 2nd Term?


Just saw this one, so I'll answer it:

Little to None, No, No, and Not Enough To Matter.

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Re: Are the wheels coming off the GW wagon?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2005, 10:03:54 AM »
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A Record Breaking deficit of $455 and $475 Billion (with a capitol B) for the next 2 years has been announced. What effect is this going to have on the already stumbling economy? Is a full blown Recession ready to happen? Accusations of falcified CIA intel and the can of worms that will open. Are the wheels starting to come off the deadlock cinch 2nd Term?

you wish.

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« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2005, 11:49:00 AM »
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LOL!  RPM has a sTawlkAr!!!11


...and a ghey one at that.

Offline JBA

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« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2005, 08:19:46 AM »
RPM,
Where your rebuttals?

You through out such nonsense, then disappear when it gets blasted out of the water.

How do responsed to the facts?

For history shows that most of what we hear about the deficits wrong. This deficit, in the truest sense, isn’t a “record”. It’s not even close. This year the deficit will come in at about $455 billion, or 4.2% of GDP, which is the most meaningful way to measure spending gaps. How big is that?

It doesn’t even make the top five since 1980.


It’s a pattern that can be seen in each of the last three recessions. Since 1980, the deficit has averaged 4.5% of GDP in the year after the economy bottomed-just about where it is now.The reason for this is simple. A shrinking economy brings in less money. So the government spends like crazy to make up the difference, and the deficits gets worse.

In the meantime, relax. This is no record deficit. Back in 1943, during WWII, the deficit hit 30.3% of GDP. Now, that was a record.
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Are the wheels coming off the GW wagon?
« Reply #50 on: February 09, 2005, 11:42:19 AM »
ummm.... why did we feel the need to resurrect this?