P-47M and N (edited)

[Ike 2K#]

would this be a great add-on for AH2?



perk the air supperiority P-47M in the ranges between the Spit14, Ta-152H, F4U-4, and Tempest. Also perk the "pound-for-ground" P-47N in F4U-1C's perk range.

[Karnak]

Perk a 480mph fighter at 20 points?

LOL.

Why don't we just unperk all the other prop fighters then?

[bozon]

the M would make a real good perk plane.
Personally, I'd rather see the N model - a late 44 model with preformance close to those p-51/190D9 and a terrific range (fuel porkers wont stop this one). and the N model saw a lot more use then the M. It would not even be perked.

or even better - P-47D23, a razorback with paddle blade prop and ability to carry ordnance under the wings.

Bozon

[Nilsen]

id also like to see the N before the M, but hey... ill take what i can get

1816 N's where made and only 130 M's

[-ammo-]

The M was the real monster.  It was faster and climbed *much* better than the N.  That woiuld mean alot more in an AH arena.  BTW,  480 (actual reports were that max speeds were over 500 Mph) were accomplished at 28K+.  Down where the action is, it will be just "really competetive" with the current planeset.

Bring it on:)

[Ike 2K#]

hmmmm would P-47M outclass  the Tempest? I would love to see this plane for 70 or 100 pts and the P-47N for 8-10 Pts

[Nilsen]

M was the fastest piston engined ac seeing service in ww2 over europe, so yes

[SELECTOR]

i dont see the point we have 3 versions already....why not have a more interesting plane..

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Because I drive the P47 daily and it really PISSES ME OFF to plan my escape as soon as a LA7 shows up, and that with a head start of 3000ft and diving for some initial momentum, the LA7 will catch up with you like a 262 after a Lancaster.

And because this LA7 is unperked to give a chance to the hordes of dweebs, there's a million of them ... next to a cloud of Spitfires.

And if you happened to be one on one, you fight D9s and G10s and other "high perfs" machines that makes your life miserable.

So give the dedicated P47 pilots something more competitive they can use.

[Karnak]

Frenchy,

A more competetive P-47 would be nice, I just don't see how it can be a freebie.  I understand exactly where you're coming from in regards to the La-7 though.  That aircraft means death to so many interesting aircraft even with a significantly better pilot in control of the death trap.

To me the La-7 is just as deadly as the F4U-4, Spitfire Mk XIV and Tempest could hope to be, and more deadly than the F4U-1C and Ta152H-1.

[Kweassa]

Hear hear.

 Frankly, in regards to "balance", 10% usage is more than enough to justify a perk. The La-7 hits all the major categories exept one, when considering a perk candidate: rarity(3xB20), balance(10% usage), performance(on par with the 70 point Tempest in speed, outperforms it in maneuverability). The only major category which the La-7 doesn't fit to is the multi-role aspect.

 But I digress..

 I agree with Karnak, but at the same time, I feel for Frenchy, too. P-47N would be nice, probably perked a little bit heavier than the Ta152. However, for an overall environment where P-47s could really be more confident, the alternative I see, lies with my NPA.

 Perk the La-7 at 3~5 points, along with its contemporaries in era and performance. Shift the MA into a '43 environment - in that environment, the P-47D-11 is one of the fastest planes, both at alt and at deck. Just about enough speed advantage to make up for its other characteristics which fall behind.

[Nilsen]

selector, we also have 5 spit and 109 models as well.

I see that we need other planes to but we still can want the M or N if we like.

I like the challenge of the jugs we have but it would be nice to have a better jug to.

[Manedew]

Frenchy has a point.... the la7 outclasses every unperked US plane in speed except the p51 above 7-8k
 it outclasses german planes in same reguard.....
it outclasses RAF planes that are unperked .. just barely (tiffie)

allowing a late war jug would be completely fair in this light....but i'd be all for a perked la7 of 10 pts or so.... but I doubt HTC will do that with the idiot-proof-mobile

[bozon]

the N preformance isn't THAT great - about a p-51's. unless you want to fly it at 30k where even the D11 will be as good as the 51 or better.
down low it would still be slower then the p-51/La7/Dora/G10 and climbrate would not exeed 3000 fpm.

I suport Kweassa's perk agenda so if it have to be perked, perk it by less then 10.

Bozon

[Nilsen]

N has better range, armour, rollrate and carries ord... the M "only" had 6x50 cal but was later refitted for ext stores

ill find the source tomorrow

"In mock combat with a P-47D-25-RE, the new fighter proved to be notably superior in every category of performance. In short, the XP-47 waxed the venerable D model regardless of who was piloting the older fighter. The new wing was part of this newfound dogfighting ability, however, the more powerful C series engine played a role too. The additional horsepower allowed the N to retain its energy better than the older Thunderbolt. Perhaps the greatest performance increase was in maximum speed. Though not as fast as the stunning P-47M, the heavier N was fully 40 mph faster than the P-47D-25-RE and could generate speeds 30 mph greater than its principal rival, the Mustang. Scorching along at 467 mph @ 32,000 ft., the N could not be caught by any fighter in regular service with any air force on earth with the single exception of its M model sibling. This combination of wing and engine had pushed the N model up to the top rank of the superlative prop driven fighters then in existence."