Author Topic: P-47M and N (edited) (Read 1314 times)

eddiek · « **Reply #15 on:** July 20, 2003, 05:54:52 PM »

I'm with Frenchy on this one, I drive the Jug more than I do any other plane.
Besides, it's been almost three years since Pyro teased us with that poll about late war variants, and there are only three planes left from that list that have not been added, while we've seen several models added that were not on that list, like the Me163, Stuka, and P-40 models.
It's time for another Jug IMO, preferably the M model. The N would be faster than the Pony and Dora, and have more range than a Pony, but I want the raw "hot rod" performance the M model offered. Like a 4K+ climb rate, able to hang with the 109's in a climb. Wouldn't that be nice?

Anyway, time will tell. I'm at a crossroads myself, just waiting to see what AH2 will offer. I've toyed with the idea of just hanging it up if the upgrade is just going to be more of the same, but I don't want to make that decision until the product is on the market and we are playing it.
All the BS about "already have 3 P-47's don't need anymore" in one breath and "we need a G-14 and a K-4, and a 190D-12" in the other breath is nothing more than hypocrisy. We've got more variants of the 109 than any other plane except the Spitfires, so based on the number of variants of those planes, we don't need anymore of them, right?

Okay, rant mode OFF:

I hope HTC adds the P-47M or N in the not so distant future.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #16 on:** July 20, 2003, 06:03:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak

To me the La-7 is just as deadly as the F4U-4, Spitfire Mk XIV and Tempest could hope to be, and more deadly than the F4U-1C and Ta152H-1.

You really have to lay off the booze.

ack-ack

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #17 on:** July 20, 2003, 06:09:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
Hear hear.

Frankly, in regards to "balance", 10% usage is more than enough to justify a perk. The La-7 hits all the major categories exept one, when considering a perk candidate: rarity(3xB20), balance(10% usage), performance(on par with the 70 point Tempest in speed, outperforms it in maneuverability). The only major category which the La-7 doesn't fit to is the multi-role aspect.

You forgot one more catagory, game unbalance and the La7 doesn't fit into that catagory. As you well know, the perks are decided on whether or not a particular plane would cause an unbalance in the arena if unperked and clearly, the La7 does not.

It's only redeeming quality is its speed. The cannons are low velocity, requiring you to get close, it's not a very good turner and it's performance drops off when above 16k and even more so above 20k. Frankly, there are other planes that are for more of a threat and deadly than the La7.

Ack-Ack

Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** July 20, 2003, 09:31:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
You really have to lay off the booze.

ack-ack

How so?

The La-7 will run me down, out everything me and kill me if the pilot is even remotely in control of what he is doing.

How could that possibly be less deadly than the F4U-4, Spitfire Mk XIV or Tempest? Hell, its deadlier than the Spitfire Mk XIV because it'll run me down faster.

Maybe you should lay off the crack?

Kweassa · « **Reply #19 on:** July 20, 2003, 09:44:28 PM »

The La-7, maneuvers a lot better than you think. It is virtually a plane very simular to the Tempest in so many aspects, except it maneuvers even better than the Tempest.

The only disadvantage the La-7 has against the Tempy, is that its cannons suck, it has a teensey lower acceleration and top speed(what, about 1~2 mph at deck?).

Don't tell me quad Hispanos are worth those 70 perks, because I have a feeling that a lot of those 70 points have to do with how the plane performs in speed. The Tempest also starts lagging over 17k.

So if the Tempy is at 70, why's the La free?

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #20 on:** July 20, 2003, 11:50:11 PM »

I think HTC put La-7 in this game because they want us to fight beyond 10,000 meter altitude:rolleyes:, BTW 10K meters is where the La-7's performance deteriorates.

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Do we really need P-47M/N? Most of the P-47s we have right now are exelent "pound-for-ground" type planes that reminds me of F-105 and the F-4 phantom and La-7s and Yaks as the MiG-21 and 17.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2003, 12:33:35 AM »

Sorry Akak, but the LA7 is ridiculously outperferming any "average" MA plane. Somebody of your flying skills cannot say in his right mind that the LA7 is not a factor.

Give something for everyone. 109s have their G10, FWs have their D9s/TA152, Spits have their Spit14s, Las have their LA7 ... give the P47s the M... every comon "WW2 models" could enjoy their "variant hotrod" to compete with others "variants hot rod".

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2003, 12:37:24 AM »

hehe, P-47M would be like putting a 1000HP HEMI engine on the Hummer H2 SUV

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2003, 12:41:50 AM »

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N has better range, armour, rollrate and carries ord... the M "only" had 6x50 cal but was later refitted for ext stores

dont let the pictures fool you, the "M" also carried 8 meat choppers (0.50 cals)

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2003, 12:56:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Ike 2K#
hehe, P-47M would be like putting a 1000HP HEMI engine on the Hummer H2 SUV

Rofl:D

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #25 on:** July 21, 2003, 01:38:30 AM »

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
Sorry Akak, but the LA7 is ridiculously outperferming any "average" MA plane. Somebody of your flying skills cannot say in his right mind that the LA7 is not a factor.

Give something for everyone. 109s have their G10, FWs have their D9s/TA152, Spits have their Spit14s, Las have their LA7 ... give the P47s the M... every comon "WW2 models" could enjoy their "variant hotrod" to compete with others "variants hot rod".

It only out performs any unperked plane with its speed and that's it but even that degrades the higher you go. Its low speed performance is pretty damn crappy and quite a lot of planes, like the P-38L for one, can out turn it. I'm just going by my experience in fighting these planes and I just don't see how the La7 and even the N1K2 can be remotely considered uber by any stretch of the imagination. Sure they are good in some areas but then so are other planes and it just basically boils down to who is in control of that plane.

Ack-Ack

Karnak · « **Reply #26 on:** July 21, 2003, 01:40:47 AM »

Actually, Frenchy, I would say that P-47 fans are far better off than Spitfire fans in the hotrod department.

We have a mid 1942 Spitfire as our top of the line version and no sign that we will ever get a newer version and P-47 fans have the mid 1944 P-47D-30 as their top of the line version.

I'm sorry, but the Spitfire Mk XIV simply cannot be counted. It simply cannot survive its perk price and perk tag unless flown stupidly conservatively.

I'm not a bad pilot. In fact, bluntly, I am quite a bit above the average. I managed a 30 kill streak in the Mosquito without flying very conservatively. I cannot survive in the Spitfire Mk XIV. If I can't, I am absolutely certain that the average AH pilot is utterly doomed in it. What it comes down to is the fact that the Spitfire Mk XIV is simply not fast enough to get away, and it is of absolute highest priority for a perk plane to be able to disengage from the horde of free aircraft that assault it. If the Spitfire Mk XIV had been modeled with 150 octane fuel, yes, it would work, but with the 358mph max speed that it's 100 octane fuel gives it, too many freebie aircraft will run it down.

Before anybody gets their panties in a wad, let me say that I think the Spitfire Mk XIV would do very well in a one on one with any prop fighter in AH, however a one on one is very rare for a perk plane. The reality is that the Spitfire Mk XIV needs to deal with P-51Ds and La-7s which are faster than it and Spitfire Mk IXs and N1K2-Js which are more manuverable than it. In a crowd on one the Spitfire Mk XIV simply does not have what it takes to survive with anything less than an elite pilot in it.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #27 on:** July 21, 2003, 01:48:22 AM »

If only the Spit 14 had the "Spit" icon, you would survive better in it.

Karnak · « **Reply #28 on:** July 21, 2003, 01:51:30 AM »

Ak-ak,

Put Joe Average in an La-7 and Joe Average's clone in any other free fighter in AH and Joe Average will beat his clone more than 50% of the time.

It is that simple.

Sure, you in a P-38 can out turn the La-7. Me in a P-38 results in a dead P-38 before I ever get slow enough to drop flaps. They simply turn inside me and kill me.

Don't judge aircraft viability based on how you can handle it when you encounter it in the MA. You are a far, far better AH pilot than I am, and I am far better than the average AH pilot. Claiming it is no problem because you can easily kill it in your P-38 or because I can generally maintain a positive K/D against it in my inferior fighter does not mean that the average AH pilot has a prayer in either of our aircraft agaist the average AH pilot in an La-7. You are making a mistake when you use yourself as a yardstick.

Frenchy,

That is true, and I would consider such a Spitfire Mk XIV to be a valid uber Spit for AH.

But it is not going to happen.

Nilsen · « **Reply #29 on:** July 21, 2003, 02:06:18 AM »

Ike 2k.... im not fooled by the picture, i read somewhere that they removed 2 guns and some armour to make it lighter and faster. Ill try to find the source for this today.

Lets stop fighting, we can get the M and the N, should make all us juggies happy. Put the paddleblade on the d11 to and we are all in heaven