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Offline Fishu

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2003, 06:12:27 AM »
Gscholz,

that wasnt the issue, the issue was this loosers view of point, who wants to have someone turned to non-hero.
(his reasonings)
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2003, 06:16:34 AM »
If it came to light that a Norwegian soldier was buried wrongly in an American Heroes cemetery, I would not dig him up, I would let him rest in peace.
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2003, 07:33:07 AM »
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Seems perfectly just to me. Nowotny was a warrior, an exceptional warrior even, and should be respected as such. However because he fought for the 3rd Reich he should never be considered a hero.

I have never seen such tard-like idiocy from anyone (except animal, but we all expect that from him) before...who the f*ck do you think you are?
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2003, 07:39:07 AM »
Hero is a subjective word. Respect is one thing, hero-worship and adulation are something else altogether.

I'm interested, why should he be considered a hero? For what cause was he fighting?
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2003, 07:41:47 AM »
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I'm interested, why should he be considered a hero? For what cause was he fighting?


My point exactly.
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2003, 08:11:13 AM »
Thanks for that expansive and comprehensive explanation. When does the reader's digest version come out?
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2003, 08:19:10 AM »
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Thanks for that expansive and comprehensive explanation. When does the reader's digest version come out?


Refer to quote from dictionary I posted above
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2003, 08:39:00 AM »
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I'm interested, why should he be considered a hero? For what cause was he fighting?


If you lived in a city that was being bombarded, and he defended it and saved your family, he might be a hero in your eyes. But that's not the point, why dig up a war grave now and set a precedent to dig up every war grave we find conflict with? Did he commit war crimes? I could see an argument there, but for being on the wrong side? I just don't see the point. If anyone had a problem with him being there, it should have been said right after the war, not 50 years later.
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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2003, 08:46:23 AM »
Well, I WAS agreeing with you...didnt think you needed that much elaboration then...

But ok. Whether a person is a hero or not has got *nothing* to do with what flag he fought under. You look at his actions and judge him for what he did and how he did it.

To say that Rudel or Hartmann or Wittman or Carius was not heroic, or "a hero", is quite franky an insult. Take Rudel for example, if you dont consider him a hero for what he did and how...then quite frankly you have made the entire concept of heroism or heroics irrelevant or pointless.
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2003, 08:51:08 AM »
Hmm ok. In that last sentence I'd make the following edit:

"...the entire concept of heroism or heroics [is] irrelevant [and] pointless."

That would pretty much sum up my thoughts on the subject.
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2003, 08:53:54 AM »
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Hmm ok. In that last sentence I'd make the following edit:

"...the entire concept of heroism or heroics [is] irrelevant [and] pointless."

That would pretty much sum up my thoughts on the subject.

Then we'll just have to agree on disagreeing.

My thoughts:
Every nation has its hero's, and every nation needs its hero's. Some people deserve to be called hero's.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2003, 08:56:41 AM »
Actually, I agree with that. But the concept of heroism is pointless and relevant to any sense of objectivity.
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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2003, 12:20:44 PM »
I suppose the KKK has its heroes too.

I'm sure they fought well for the Klan. And we should honor them for their bravery and heroics.


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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2003, 12:29:12 PM »
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I suppose the KKK has its heroes too.
 


Of cource they do...wouldnt that be that Nathan Bedford Forrest-dude?

Or are you implying that there are no heroes unless they first pass throgh the current PC-filter of the time?
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2003, 12:32:40 PM »
I think its pretty simple Hortlund..

The "filter" you mention should have something to do with the principles advocated by the group recognizing the hero.

John Dillinger was a hero to bank robbers and thugs... should he be honored?

Many men were heroic to the 3rd riech, I put them in the same category as Dillinger.
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