does the spit14 honestly need to be perked?

[Kweassa]

Naw, goF, the ultimate question is this one:

 "if we have a free Spit14 would we see less Spit9s?"

 ..

 It's an interesting brain boggle - would the 10% usage of Spit9s move wholey to the Spit14? Or would they Split up about 5% Spit9, and 5% Spit14?

 Because, I've done some research, and according to those results, people fly what they always fly. If its unavailable, they fly the plane closest to what they fly. But what if another upgraded version, which retains the name but has very different characteristics, is available??

 It would be an interesting experiment. Four tours, would prove many things.

* If the wholesome of 10% Spit9 usage transfers over to form a 10% Spit14 usage, then it needs a perk.

* If the Spit9 and Spit14 population are divided into about 5%:5% ratio, then it won't need a perk.

* If the combined total of Spit9+Spit14 drags even more people into Spitfires, then it definately needs perks.

[ramzey]

Originally posted by thrila


With the spit14 icon it's hard not to get ganged.  If i'm in a 3v3 fight the 3 cons will ignore my 2 countrymen and so it turns into a 3v1.  The cons don't care if they die....they act suicidely to try and kill me, just aslong as they kill me.   I was flying yesterday and saw a spit14, over vox i heard someone shout "look a spit14, quick everyone kill it!" and about half a dozen planes pounced on this spit14.


As it stands now IMO the spit14 is not worth it's 60 perks.  if it had a spit icon it would, otherwise it's perk cost should be drastically reduced.

this spit possiby was me:) but i survive

overall i agree, spit14 is best bait plane on this arena
but so far i not find any 109g10 or 190 d9 who can kill me during fights on MA

ramzey

[Ecke-109-]

It would be an interesting experiment. Four tours, would prove many things.

HTC isnt a friend of any experiments.
They should be more courageously in changing little aspects of the game. And rechange it, if the experiment fails.
I mean ..its a great and solid game with a convinced (addicted ) community.
There will be always about 10-15% of players which are unhappy with certain aspects of the game.
Bring larger maps....some cry.
Bring smaller maps...some cry.
The furballers cry about any strats.
The strat-oriented players cry about furballs.
And so on.
But does that mean, the best way is to change as less as possible?
Why not letting the criers rotate?
They will stay in the game because they love it, anyway.

Ecke

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by gofaster
I think the Ki-61 and P-40E should be perked, just so they'd get more respect in the MA.

The Ki-61 is a killing machine against anything below it and within d300 of it.  It holds its speed very well and turns pretty good in its flight envelope.

The P-40E is a killing machine against anything 10k or below, assuming you can hit a target at d500 turning away from you (because you sure aren't going to be chasing anything down).

hmmm led a section of 61's in Cap last week, handled the F4u's, F6F's and F4u's - had some trouble if they had alt but it soon dragged down to the deck and out of 4 enagagement won 3 drew 1.

[thrila]

Gofaster the spit14 has a better forward view, but that's about it.  You can move your head a lot in the 109....i get a better rear view in the g10 than i can in the spit14.

If the Spit XiV were less than 60 perks, would we see fewer Mk IXs? Fewer LA-7s?

 

I don't believe so, the f4u-1c is what 8 perks?  i would have thought everyone could afford one yet they are rarely seen.  If the spit14 cost was reduced (i'm talking 20 perks or so) it's impact will still be miniscule.  i'm not convinced that people who fly spits would go to the spit14 even if it wasn't perked.  It flies so differently to early marks i think a lot of people will be put off, especially with it's monster torque.

[whels]

Originally posted by Citabria
ive flown it and its not very good in speed climb or turn. the 109g10 outclasses it.

does it really need to be perked?

1 thing when trying to say 1 plane sucks after flying it in
the MA is, planes like the spit14, Ta152, F4U-4 were made
to fight at 20k+ alts. that is where they do thier best
preformances. in the MA most fighting is 10k or lower.
so the above Planes are out of thier fighting element.

takem to 20 to 30k and fight, they are totaly diff, specially
the spit14 n Ta152.

[whels]

Originally posted by Kweassa
My kind of perks..

*Heavily perked
Me262: 100 points
Me163B: 70 points
Ar234: 50 points

*Moderately perked
Tempest5: 15 points
F4U-4: 15 points
Ta152H-1: 10 points

*Lightly perked
F4U-1C: 8 points
Spitfire14: 5 points
LA-7: 5 points
P-51D: 4 points
190D-9: 4 points
109G-10: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points

i have said before if a plane has multiple versions in AH, the early bird should be free and perk the later models. example
P47 D11(free), D25 (5 perks), D30(10 perks), planes like Niki with no variants , perk low like 5 perks, Ki61 free with Zekes.  La5 Free, La7 5perks.

also i think Perk points  u gather during the tour should reset at
tour reset. and each player get 50 or 100 perks each catagory to start the tour.

whels

[Urchin]

Problem with that Whels, is that a lot of other planes were 'optimised' to fight at high alt but still perform fine at MA alts... and they are free.  Our Spit 9 and P-51 for instance.  The Spit 14 is a good plane.  It isn't a great plane.  The La-7 is a great plane.  One is perked and the other is free.  Problem is they got it backwards.

[Innominate]

Perk prices are prettymuch irrelevent, removing the gangbang icons would make them worth spending the perks on.

[Karnak]

The Spitfire Mk XIV remains my favorite WWII fighter.  I won't fly it in AH as it is no fun.  I can get gangbanged for free by taking any aircraft to an enemy dominated sector and if I don't take an La-7, Fw190D-9, Bf190G-10 or Typhoon I can also experience the gangbang without the ability to get away.  Just like the Spitfire Mk XIV, but for free.

Those of you who are saying how great it is in a one on one are living in a fantasy land when applying that information to the MA.  The MA has nothing to do with one on ones.  It is absolutely imperative that a perk plane be able to disengage from the freebie horde that its icon will call onto it.  The Spitfire Mk XIV and Ta152H-1 simply cannot disengage at AH combat altitudes when facing the hordes of La-7s and P-51Ds, aircraft that are both faster.  Furthermore the Spitfire Mk XIV's excellent climb rate is instantly nullified as an escape method if any fighter appears at a higher altitude that it.  I've lost most of my Spitfire Mk XIVs to that very thing.  Using my climb rate I slowly pull away from the La-7s and N1K2s when a Spitfire Mk IX or P-38 or something appears above me, and now I have to manuver to dodge and the horde below catches up and the guy above keeps me from being able to climb away.

Contrast the Tempest or La-7 to that and you'll see that all they have to do is put their nose down and they're gone and free.  The F4U-4 can kind of pull this trick off, but persistant La-7s will still run it down and due to its "F4U-4" perk tag they will be persistant.

The F4U-1C's annonymous "F4U" icon gives it far, far better survivability than the Ta-152H-1, Spitfire Mk XIV or F4U-4.  Look at the numer of kills it gets per Tour and you will see that despite a much greater total kills, indicating much greater plebian usage, the F4U-1C's K/D ratio is close to, or exceeds, the K/D ratio of these three iconed perk planes.

To the average, or even above average, AH player these three perk planes are death traps that might as well not be in the game.  That is how unusable they are for the majority of players.  Even among the well above average players these aircraft are very difficult to use.

Should there really be aircraft in AH that are really only for the Festers and Drexes among us?

[Jackal1]

Flying spits? Even in the daylight for all to see?
  Sorta like riding a Honda? Feels good , but you don`t want your friends too see you doing it?

[bockko]

I am not a big fan of perk schemes. In general, I'd rather have less perked planes than more. The biggest problem I have with these schemes is that there seems to be no real tie to reality. I'd support a plan based on the number of planes produced or that saw action, but plans to control which models appear in what numbers goes against any military person's pursuit of the best available hardware.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Karnak
Should there really be aircraft in AH that are really only for the Festers and Drexes among us?

There already are: the C.202, the F4F, the P-40E, and the Ki-61. Skilled players can get kills in the low-MA-rated machines. Only dweebs need perk planes to get kills.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by gofaster
There already are: the C.202, the F4F, the P-40E, and the Ki-61. Skilled players can get kills in the low-MA-rated machines. Only dweebs need perk planes to get kills.

You completely miss my point.

I can, and have, used all of the aircraft you mentioned successfully and had fun while doing so.  They do not suffer the "HEY EVERYBODY, COME GANGBANG ME!!!!" effect of a perk plane.

It isn't about getting kills.

How are these perk planes a reward if they are effectively worse than the freebie aircraft?

[Replicant]

Originally posted by Kweassa
My kind of perks..

*Heavily perked
Me262: 100 points
Me163B: 70 points
Ar234: 50 points

*Moderately perked
Tempest5: 15 points
F4U-4: 15 points
Ta152H-1: 10 points

*Lightly perked
F4U-1C: 8 points
Spitfire14: 5 points
LA-7: 5 points
P-51D: 4 points
190D-9: 4 points
109G-10: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points

you missed the 190A5 out