does the spit14 honestly need to be perked?

[Replicant]

Originally posted by TW9
what needs balancing?



kudo's to the g10 pilot that got out of there w/ 7kills.. Nice film too btw..

Oh and that f4u didnt have a chance..

It depends what country you fly for.  I fly Bish and I see a lot of 109s and 190s, not just Spits and P51s.

I always understood that the Spit14 was the equivalent to the P51D and the 190D9.  Why aren't they perked?  I rarely fly the Spit yet I am somewhat bewildered that both the Tempest and Spit14 are both perked when they are the only real late war RAF aircraft.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Kweassa
My kind of perks..

*Heavily perked
Me262: 100 points
Me163B: 70 points
Ar234: 50 points

*Moderately perked
Tempest5: 15 points
F4U-4: 15 points
Ta152H-1: 10 points

*Lightly perked
F4U-1C: 8 points
Spitfire14: 5 points
LA-7: 5 points
P-51D: 4 points
190D-9: 4 points
109G-10: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points

allright first time I saw a perk request on a P-47  lol
ahhh the newbies should get what they want free, as you get better the cost goes up to you and the points come down.

Fester would pay about 50 points for a 202 and about 2000 for a 262 imho  

[bozon]

I tried the spit14 a couple of times in the MA.
It handles poorly, rolls worse then the spit9 and when you hit the stall horn at slow speeds it suffers for terrible torque and yaw instability. I feel safer turning a jug.

somewhat of a slower 109G10 with better guns.

needs to be lightly perked if at all, concidering RAF have no free (or almost free) 1945 planes.

Bozon

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Karnak
I can, and have, used all of the aircraft you mentioned successfully and had fun while doing so.  They do not suffer the "HEY EVERYBODY, COME GANGBANG ME!!!!" effect of a perk plane.

It isn't about getting kills.

How are these perk planes a reward if they are effectively worse than the freebie aircraft?

Its not about reward, its about being macho.   The best pilots should be the ones that can bag kills in the dog planes.

A pilot truly sucks if his Spit IX gets popped by a P-40E.   If the best pilots are Fester and Drex and me, then the C.202, P-40E, and Ki-61 are the planes that should be reserved for us experten!

I like to fly the Ki-61 because what typically happens to me is a N1K2 or Spit or LA7 will fly over, see a bunch of other N1K2s, or Spits, or LA7s, and a single clown-tailed Ki-61.  Guess what looks like the easy kill.  Now guess what goes down in flames.

Funniest flight I ever had was in a Ki-61 on Trinity.  I had roamed north over an enemy airbase and popped two Spitfire Mk IXs at the top of their loops as they engaged me.  With the base's top cover dealt with, I dove down on an LA-7 that was trying to get away by doing the LA-7 twisty scissors thingy on the deck.  On his 4th reversal I had him.  I had misjudged how much fuel I needed and had to rtb.  I can't remember if I made it back or not.  But man, I can't believe I killed 2 Spits and an LA-7 in a crate with an MA Impact Rating of .03something.

Yesterday I dusted off the P-40E for some interceptions from A42.  Bagged a couple of Spitfires that were vulching my airfield down on the deck before getting popped by a P-51D that came down to pork fuel and got me on his pass over the field.  Now that was an ego inflater!

[Honch]

Originally posted by gofaster
The P-40E is a killing machine against anything 10k or below, assuming you can hit a target at d500 turning away from you (because you sure aren't going to be chasing anything down).

shhhh gofaster!  I like everyone underestimating the ALL POWERFUL P40!  Now stop this nonsense or somone is going to discover our secret!

[Toad]

Originally posted by Replicant
I am somewhat bewildered that both the Tempest and Spit14 are both perked when they are the only real late war RAF aircraft.

Let me clear this up for you.

Because the Tempest and the Spit 14, used correctly, would be extremely good in the MA.

This would cause extreme wailing, whining, gnashing of teeth, and self-flagellation amongst the afficianados of other combatant country's plane sets.

All this with the extremely unfortunate result of casuing HTC's phone to ring off the hook, their computers to be flooded with tear-stained E-Mails and Ch 1 to ripple with malevolent threats whenever HTC folks were online.

So... the Brits must only get the Spit IX unperked. Anything else just wouldn't be fair.

[Karnak]

gofaster,

Yes, but you're talking to a guy who also spends most of his time in outdated pieces of crap.  My opinion of the current perk system has nothing to do with my skill level or what I fly.  It has only to do with my observed results of the curretn perk system.  The perk icons are too much of a penalty for aircraft with marginal performance advantages to bear while piloted by average pilots.  The icons render these aircraft into frusterating non-rewards for the vast majority of players.  The special icons heavlily reduce their usefulness in scenarios and the lack of usage they get (less even than things like the C.202 and Spitfire Mk I) make them a waste of resources.

Toad,

I agree that they should be perked, but the icons are too much.

[Toad]

Karnak, don't misinterpret. If it was my game, nothing would be perked.

But there'd probably be a few other changes.  

I like the British planes; I think British fans get penalized to a degree because the Spit is so good. A '43 crossbred Spit is considered as the best that can be allowed unperked. Quite a compliment, really. To my eye, the Spit is perhaps the most elegant looking fighter ever designed.

[Karnak]

Toad,

It is a 1942 crossbred Spit.  The most important part of it, the engine, is from the July, 1942 Spitfire F.Mk IX.

Unfortunantly I think you are right.  Even a Spitfire LF.Mk IX from March, 1943 is too much for the MA if uncontroled.

That is big problem from a simulation standpoint though as there were only 300 Merlin 61 engined Spitfire F.Mk IXs built and there were 3,000 Merlin 66 engined Spitfire LF.Mk IXs built.  The Mk IX we have is quite unrepresentative of the historical Spitfire Mk IX.

[DoctorYO]

Its Unfortunate Thrila didn't take the time to review the scores since beta..

he would notice my bias for the g10.  when i was in jg26 with Hristo weazel and gang back in the golden days..

with that stated ,  The spit14 will eat the g10 alive...

g10 is great i love it.. but spit14 has turn climb roll visability and firepower far superior to g10, thats not including compression/elevator lock, anemic fuel and loiter time over target.. Low visability over the nose, nose bounce..  should i continue..?

A spit9 is tough when flown right for a g10..

Spit14 compounds the issue becuase its fast, and at lower power settings all this torque you guys are experiencing is from keeping the engine pegged.. lower to 75%-50% and adjust power higher when needed... and the spit14 will whip around in turn..  Think of it as driving a race car..  power down into the turn, and accelerate out of it... (you should be doing this in all aircraft right?)  do that and you be surprised how effective the spit14 is..

Talk of running out of wep? wtf...  you dont need to be running wep half the time in spit14 becuase you can pull 3-4g turns all day long with little to zero energy loss...  I only use wep as needed..  (when i flew g10 I grew accustomed to the wep crutch, its nice but overrated)

And when you need power the 5 blade prop and merlin accelerates with the best of them...

Some of you talk of tags,  I have stated earlier in other posts im against tags..  But as long as they are here im going to use them to my advantage..  Morons galore will do the most assinine manuevers to get at me..  either opening up themselves for counterattack or a wingmans attack..

Use their aggressiveness against them...

lesson one....  Fake turn on the merge..(I put this one out on the boards from my little black book of acm...)

as you pass bogie make shure to rotate aircraft to appear your going to mix it up with them...  (now while they are licking their chops crying perk buffet)

You change the tune.. and go vert, B&Z or whatever else you want to cook up..

you may not get a clear advantage on first merge so rinse and repeat as necessary...  Note the bad guy will get lazy after about 2 passes and this time you really do mix it up with them with a throttle chop..  Now their going to pay...
Hispo laser burst later, no more bad guy..

so many chumps/chimps fall for this novice trickery, this is even more compounded by having spit14, f4u4 halo hanging over your head..


Thrila you got paypal?  would love to put my hypothesis to test for compensation of my time...






DoctorYO

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by gofaster


The Ki-61 is a killing machine against anything below it and within d300 of it.  It holds its speed very well and turns pretty good in its flight envelope.
 

If the revised flight model fixes the torque like Pyro says, then you're going to see a lot of whines about the Ki-61's lackluster high speed performance.  In real life, the Ki-61 at hight speeds, had a very difficult time turning to the right.


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[Furball]

Gofaster, im suprised you aren't whining about niki's......

[Hades55]

Something witch will sound strange to
many here.....
I dont like the perk system at all, exeption only for Me 262-163.
Completely differend class.

MA is what the name says.. Arena.
Every one must fly what he wants.
This system is fair Enough from the point witch every one have the same choises.
From the point where CT exists where
time and place are simulated in near same class crafts ,there is no reason for perking propellers at MA.
Its your choise and your rensponsibility the aircraft you fly.
If you fly a older fighter you shall take a
better RANK ,the same with gvs,so you
have something to win.
I dont like whiners judge what i can fly.
MA is a *What If* scenario in general.
Her anarchy is her beauty.
Also, this is the solution for the CT, for more people come there where you can find realistic shenarios.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Karnak
Toad,

It is a 1942 crossbred Spit.  The most important part of it, the engine, is from the July, 1942 Spitfire F.Mk IX.

Unfortunantly I think you are right.  Even a Spitfire LF.Mk IX from March, 1943 is too much for the MA if uncontroled.

That is big problem from a simulation standpoint though as there were only 300 Merlin 61 engined Spitfire F.Mk IXs built and there were 3,000 Merlin 66 engined Spitfire LF.Mk IXs built.  The Mk IX we have is quite unrepresentative of the historical Spitfire Mk IX.

I would like to see the Spitfire Mk.XII myself. Perk that at about 50 points. It would be the perfect counter to the La-7, being just as fast on the deck, but it climbs and rolls better than the Spit XIV.

Or, perhaps a clipped wing LF Mk.IX would do for about 10 points.

My regards,

Widewing

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Widewing
I would like to see the Spitfire Mk.XII myself. Perk that at about 50 points. It would be the perfect counter to the La-7, being just as fast on the deck, but it climbs and rolls better than the Spit XIV.

Or, perhaps a clipped wing LF Mk.IX would do for about 10 points.

My regards,

Widewing

How well did the Spitfire Mk XI perform compared to the XIV or the XII?

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