Author Topic: PFC Lynch gets Bronze Star and Hero's welcome.. (Read 3289 times)

Sixpence · « **Reply #30 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:30:59 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
well if you don't think she should get the medal, why don't YOU start movment to take it away from her, you could have congress investagate the whole thing, maybe you could have bush impeached for giving her the medal.

I'm not gonna try it.......you try it

(from the old life cereal commercial)

Apache · « **Reply #31 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:34:10 PM »

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Originally posted by rc51
Look the Army went to toejam when they TOOK the black Beret's away from the RANGER's and gave them to the reg Army as a fashion statement!!
So I guess it aint that hard to understand that the Press and The
Army would really pump this whole thing up into a big deal.
Look I know people who have been hurt while in operations that none of us will never hear about.
Do you think they get any medals.
Nope!!
Most of the people in the 507th there did a stand up job.
That pfc Miller killed 9 bad guy's .
And he got the silver star wich he deserved.
But as far as just being a passenger that gets hurt in an accident?
Man I just don't see it.
Just my opinion.

My Gosh, you make it sound as if she were a passenger in an SUV travelling down US1 to Key West. Do you think they "wrecked" because a cow ran across thier path?

rc51 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:36:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
Just read that report, is anyone gonna hang for that?

And all the weapon malfunctions, I don't think any of the weapons worked, how sad.

The individual soldier is responsible for keeping his weapon in firing order.
So they should get article 15s LOL

rc51 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:38:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Apache
My Gosh, you make it sound as if she were a passenger in an SUV travelling down US1 to Key West. Do you think they "wrecked" because a cow ran across thier path?

You have to understand what the bronze star is given out for!!
It aint for running away and then into the back of a truck and getting hurt!!

It is for fighting and or caring for thje injured.
A simplistic view but you get my point.

muckmaw · « **Reply #34 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:46:12 PM »

I read the report above.

Take some time to go through it.

I understand this is a preliminary report, but the only mention of Lynch is to reference her location in a specific vehicle in the convoy.

According to this report, she never fired a weapon, nor did she attempt to do so. It mentions several other soldiers who tried to fire their weapons, which jammed. It mentions other soldiers attempting to get weapons from their dead or dying comrades.

It talks about Miller, and speculates that he killed as many as 9 Iraqis.

So where is the faintest refernce anywhere in this report that Lynch did anything but ride in the hummer?

Look, let's get one thing straight. She is a soldier and a war veteran, and for that I salute her. She did her job and served her country which is more than I can say for most, including myself.

But my point is, I don't feel anyone should recieve a medal aside from the purple heart unless they earn it. It devalues the same medal worn by so many men from WWII to the present.

On a personal note, I hate being jerked around by the media, and politicians, which is what I feel is happening here.

gofaster · « **Reply #35 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:49:06 PM »

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Most of the soldiers in this group report that they experience weapons malfunctions. These malfunctions may have resulted from inadequate individual maintance in a desert environment.

And then he met the Marines who went back to rescue the remainder of the Army soldiers.

I thought this was interesting:

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PFC Miller moved beyond the crash-site, engaged the enemy, and was captured after being surrounded. Although unconfirmed, Miller may have killed as many as nine Iraqi combatants.

Yowza!

Yeager · « **Reply #36 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:51:29 PM »

What did the citation read for the bronze star?

MrLars · « **Reply #37 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:52:35 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw

But my point is, I don't feel anyone should recieve a medal aside from the purple heart unless they earn it. It devalues the same medal worn by so many men from WWII to the present.

This kind of stuff isn't new. The medal isn's so much for her as it is for the Army's image and the image they want their soldiers to be seen in. You can't buck the system from the inside, I tried.

Best thing is to let them do what they want but aknowledge the fact that this realy isn't about her as much as it's about them.

The true heros are the ones who give the ultimate, the surviviors are honered in their name in most cases.

IMO

muckmaw · « **Reply #38 on:** July 22, 2003, 02:56:37 PM »

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Originally posted by MrLars
This kind of stuff isn't new. The medal isn's so much for her as it is for the Army's image and the image they want their soldiers to be seen in. You can't buck the system from the inside, I tried.

Best thing is to let them do what they want but aknowledge the fact that this realy isn't about her as much as it's about them.

The true heros are the ones who give the ultimate, the surviviors are honered in their name in most cases.

IMO

This I can respect, but they do not hand her the medal and say this is awareded to you to honor of those that served with you and died.

*shrugs*

I'd like to read the report where her actions are described and show that she is in fact worthy of this medal.

Martlet · « **Reply #39 on:** July 22, 2003, 04:03:05 PM »

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Originally posted by rc51
You have to understand what the bronze star is given out for!!
It aint for running away and then into the back of a truck and getting hurt!!

It is for fighting and or caring for thje injured.
A simplistic view but you get my point.

Boy are you way off.

MrLars · « **Reply #40 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:34:36 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
This I can respect, but they do not hand her the medal and say this is awareded to you to honor of those that served with you and died.

Sorry, my statement was a bit misleading....I ment to say that for others in the ranks to put to rest their feelings about who gets recognized for their actions often they will pass it off as a medal to the fallen. There are always exceptions.

The things the Army does and their stated reasons behind them can drive a soldier nuts, it sometimes makes it easier to come to terms with a loss in the ranks this way.

Most often the recipient will aknowledge those who have fallen as being the real heros.....as it should be, IMO.

rc51 · « **Reply #41 on:** July 22, 2003, 06:28:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
Boy are you way off.

Well smart guy why don't you enlighten us then.

Hangtime · « **Reply #42 on:** July 22, 2003, 09:03:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Jack55
http://www.sftt.org/PDF/article07102003a.pdf

If thats an offical army document, then dowdings the queen of england.

really.

-tronski- · « **Reply #43 on:** July 22, 2003, 10:57:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
But Hangtime... giving Ben Afleck more work should be a capital offence. Think of the children!

Although I'm sure the lead Iraqi villain will have an upper class English accent. So more work for a moustachioed Jeremy Irons.

Alan Rickman makes a far more menacing villian....but Jeremy needs the work I'd say (and will bare his bellybutton at the drop of a hat)

Tronsky

Jack55 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 22, 2003, 11:06:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
If thats an offical army document, then dowdings the queen of england.

really.

It's dull enough to be an official document, but I don't claim that it is.