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Offline TPIguy

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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2003, 09:37:16 AM »
Night of the comet! Great for a cheezy 80's movie.

I suppose if this happened to me I'd do like most the first few days. Drive around in fast cars looking for others and doing whatever I please. My first stop after borrowing a ZO6, viper, etc.. would be the gun shop (just in case).

After a couple of days I'd probibly give up the search and start thinking of my survival. I don't know how long utilities would function with noone at the controls. Maybe a week at most? I know they are run mostly by computer. But I would think they would run out of fuel, or breakdown relativly quick. Hopefully none of the nuclear plants would melt down.

I'd head to the nearest military base and trade my car in on a good deuce and a half. I'd load it with all the supplies it could hold and head out into the country. I'd look for a nice cabin in the woods, someplace with lots of fish and game nearby. I'd probibly make a couple trips back to civilization for more supplies.

At that point I'd be out there all alone, and probibly go crazy. Maybe after a few months or a year head back to the city to see whats going on.

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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2003, 09:59:09 AM »
or even before the 'night of the comet'.

 remember the old 'twilight zone'?  the poor old bastard who just wanted to be left alone to read.

he worked in a bank and one day he goes down to the vault to read during his lunch hour.  something happens while he's down there and when he comes up everybodys gone.

so after setting aside food and other suplies he basicly moves into the library.  for the first time in his life he can sit down for a nice long read with nobody to bother him.  then he breaks his last pair of glasses and there's nobody left to make new ones.

BTW- I'd probably snag a good boat and haul bellybutton to Hawaii before the gps stops working.  set up a nice sustainable, low-tech existance, and spend out my days diving and spearing fish.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2003, 11:07:54 AM »
I would log onto AH and milkrun the MA! :D
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2003, 11:12:02 AM »
Sound like fun Nash.

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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2003, 11:12:10 AM »
OMG I cant believe someone else thought of this :eek:

I have been mulling this over for about 5 years... it just came to me one night. What would you do?

Now when I am lying in bed and can't sleep this is what I think about. With the time I have spent on this I have found so many problems that go in circles it’s not funny.

My Plan

There are 3 basic things you need to deal with, food, shelter, and water. Of course the first few days would be having some fun, but mostly planning. My first stop would be a gun shop, then the local Hummer dealership. Read on to learn why. ;)

Food
I personally have a hard time killing and dressing an animal, not for moral reasons, I just think it’s kind of disgusting. Because of that I would get as much canned meat and Spam I could. You will need some place to store all these goods so the animals will not get into it, so you have to first secure some type of warehouse.

Once you realize you have to survive alone your first though should be location, location, location. Where are you going to live? Near the ocean? Far inland? In a climate with harsh winters? Where is the nearest nuclear power plant? Wisconsin is not too bad, but the climate makes for some unique situations. Near where I live there is a major food distributor’s warehouse; complete with a freezer you can drive a forklift into. I would first have to go there and secure the building.

Why secure the building? If there are no other people around creating garbage and other food sources for the local wildlife they starve. A starving raccoon is one mean SOB, and will get into almost anything not to mention the other animals. I figure there will be an explosion of creatures in the first year or two. There will be no cars to hit the fuzzy bunnies, basically no human blocks on their growth. Soon though they will start dying off fast. The food supply that we as humans create for them can not be replaced. They will starve in droves.

After you secure the building and dump anything that will rot and attract scavengers, you have to bring what you want to it. That means learning to drive a semi. I don’t know how to ‘double clutch’ or have a clue what it even means. I just know I need something to transport my goods.

All this has to be done in relative days after the realization (or test day as I call it). The reason is the perishables in the grocery store are just that, perishable. Within about a week the fruits will be growing parasites. Small mammals will break into the store to get food. It will basically become overrun with disease infected animals within a few weeks. Imagine walking down an isle looking for something to eat and a crazed, rabies infected raccoon jumps out and bites you. You’d be dead in a few weeks. Don’t forget about the smell and the gasses from the rotting food. You would need a gas mask just to go in the door. Basically you want to save all the food you can early on.

Eventually you will need to learn to cultivate crops. You can’t live on preserved food forever, it will run out or go bad. Also you can’t go around killing whatever you want and eat it. You won’t be able to test for diseases in the animal. After time you will have to worry about radiation poisoning too, but we’ll get to that later. Basically no matter how repulsive it sounds, you will become a vegetarian after about 10 years I figure, and you will need to sustain yourself.

Water
Once you have gotten all your food stores set up you need to worry about water. For the first few years you could drink all the bottled water at the grocery stores. It will eventually go bad though and you will need to find a clean water source. My thought is the library will be where I spend most of my time. You will need to learn how to work a well digging machine, and where to dig. You will also need to know how to maintain the equipment. Where this well is kind of dictates where you will live too. You might want to consider learning some basic masonry skills to be able to build a foundation near the well for a house of some kind.

Shelter
Personally I would build a small 15’ by 15’ house or there about. It would be underground too, to help with insulation, and protect from weather. It would be one of those half-buried homes, like a mound. You would also need to get electricity to it. The best bet is a generator. The only thing you need electricity for is lights and entertainment. If you dig a deep enough hole it can work as a crude refrigerator.

The design of the house is for basic protection. You will not be able to predict the weather, so you need to expect a tornado every day. Eventually you might want to find a storm chaser’s van with a Doppler radar attached to it, but that’s low on my list. Anyway, I would make 2 identical buildings next to each other, one for living and 1 for storage. Why two separate ones? That would be easier to build. The smaller the roof span the better for safety from storms. The reason for burying the house is two fold, insulation and protection. The earth above and next to the house will do both. Imagine a mound about ten feet high with a door and glass block window going into it. 3 sides of the building would be a 50’ long rise to the top of the mound.

As stated above location is the key. Where you are dictates what is most important. If you are in the south there are a lot of bugs and stuff you want to keep out (though you pretty much want that everywhere). There is more rain in the south so you need to think about drainage too. If you are near the Atlantic Ocean you need to think about hurricane force winds that last days at a time. The design I talked about covers all possibilities basically.

Back to the generator. A kerosene powered one would be best, but hard to find. Propane would work also, you basically need to stay away from gasoline. The reason to stay away from gas is that I have been told it goes bad in less than a year. If that is true get all your fast car driving out of the way early (and don’t hit a deer or something… wouldn’t want to get an injury and slowly die sitting in a car on the side of the road). You will need to learn how to run and wire up the generator, so back to the library. A generator is lower on the list depending what time of year it is. If it’s close to winter it’s more pressing, but as stated in the beginning of the scenario, electricity is still working… for a while. Somewhere along the line a transformer will blow and shut down the grid. Over time more and more will go out. The biggest concern is the nuclear plants generating the electricity. They WILL melt down eventually, and you need to be at least 500 miles away when it happens to avoid dying right away. That also means you need to find a Geiger counter, and learn how to use it. Learning to set up a solar power system would be helpful too.

Medicine
Medicine is a really tricky one to take care of. Most antibiotics and stuff degrade to not being effective in a few months, due to the organic ingredients. My cousin works at the blood center and they have a freezer like the kind you keep steaks in, but it keeps nitrogen solid and stuff. I think she said it goes to about  –100° Celsius. That is cold enough to keep penicillin indefinitely. I am allergic to penicillin myself, so I need to get something else. You would also want to get some other basic medicines to cover anything that might happen. Then you have to transport this freezer back to your house and wire it up.

Miscellaneous
After all your basic necessities are taken care of you can work on learning more things to help you survive longer. I would learn how to do EVERYTHING on a car and motorcycle. I would have a large diesel four wheel drive truck. I would modify it by taking off everything cosmetic. Then add very high-powered lights in all directions (driving at night with animals about without seeing everything would be a bad idea). In the back of the truck (or the roof of the Hummer) would be:
  • A complete set of tools
  • A small generator
  • At least 50 gallons of fresh water
  • At least 50 gallons of gasoline
  • Enough food for 3 weeks (MRE’s taken from a nearby military base)
  • An off road motorcycle for scouting and getting home if the truck breaks and I can’t fix it
  • Ammo (yes I’d ALWAYS carry at least 2 guns… you never know what might attack you)
  • Extra clothes for all seasons

Talking about a vehicle makes you talk about gas again too. I heard there are additives that you can add to extend the shelf life. I also believe diesel gas lasts longer. Either way there are alternative fuels out there. There was that truck that drove across America on used cooking oil. Supposedly it took only minor modifications. I would defiantly look into that.

Like I said I have given this a TON of thought, and I can expound on any part of it if you’d like. (I usually end up talking in circles about it so please forgive the randomness of this LOL ;) )


Oh well my 2¢
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2003, 11:17:57 AM »
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I would think that within a couple of years wildlife would quickly begin to take over.  


Are sheep considered wildlife?  Just curious.
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2003, 11:36:17 AM »
depends on how ya treat em Curval

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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2003, 11:39:47 AM »
Interesting points JB. I think the deuce and a half would be good because it has a multi fuel engine.

As far as trying to maintain a more modern lifestyle, it seems like alot of work. Perhaps too much. Trying to maintain complicated equipment might work for a couple of years, but probibly wouldn't be feasable after that.

Man can certainly survive without electricity and other compforts. It would just take some adaption. I think one could survive off fish and game and a small amout of crops. As long as there was a fresh water source nearby that isn't contaminated you would be OK.

I like the your idea for shelter, seems simple and functional. Though, I'd probibly just do like I said and find a nice cabin.

The way I see it, I probibly wouldn't live more than a few years. Eventually something would kill me illness, accident, animal attack, radiation etc...

With no one to help a broken leg or a bad case of the flu could cause death. But if I was really alone, how long would I want to live anyway?

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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2003, 11:56:05 AM »
How about this?

You wake up and it is snowing uncontrollably and does so for weeks on end.  Everybody stays in there house and tries to stay warm.  The snow goes on and on for weeks.


Then......You wake up from your dream and the earth is moving closer to the sun and the temps are rising by the hour!  The earth will burn up in a couple of weeks.  What would u do?:cool:

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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2003, 12:38:00 PM »
you have to ask ?!?!

lol

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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2003, 01:02:46 PM »
JB73 has covered most bases, and thought out the situation pretty thoroughly.

There is a good series of survivalist books called the Firefox Series, which describes how the pioneers lived back in the early days.  It would be expedient to do certain things before the power plants shut down, making the world dark at night after the street lights no longer work.  I'd be sure to go to a sporting goods store and load up on all the equipment needed, such as boots, running shoes, clothing, etc...before they were eaten up by insects or otherwise destroyed.  Of course, I'd want to have a couple of firearms and plenty of ammo and reloading equipment.

I would try to find out if anyone was out there.  One way to do this would be to go to the Empire State Building, for example, and broadcast on a short wave radio.  I would have a recorder set up to grab messages that may arrive while I was out doing other things.  I may consider making that my residence for awhile, because it would afford a good view, and would provide darn good shelter both for me and my vehicles in the garage.  I would keep a hang glider on hand if I had to leave fast.

Since this is a fantasy, and we can do anything, short of moving to another world in a flying saucer, (LOL, I'd be sure to go to Area 51 and look just in case;) ), I would see what I could do about finding a nuclear submarine to travel about in.  Make that my new residence, like Capt. Nemo's Nautilus.  Then yes, off to Hawaii to live.

There would be an abundant supply of food there...yeah seafood baby!!!  Pure rainwater and fresh water springs to drink from.  Medicines such as Aspirin, the miracle drug, are made from a certain tree bark.  Would learn about what I could use naturally by way of medicine and remedies.

Companionship, or lack thereof, would be the biggest problem to deal with.  I would go to the zoo and kill the tigers.:(   Would release everything else, and then drive around in a pick-up truck with my new orangutan buddy Clyde.:D




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« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2003, 01:03:57 PM »
Interesting quandry, Who really knows? For me I guess I would take care of personal survival first (food, water, med kit, etc.). Then defense, I would access the nearest armory and get all of the good toys-guns and transportation. Then I would head for the mountain-Norad that is, and try to check on the state of the rest of the world and try to find any record of what happened while I was sleeping. Then I would rule MY world the way I want to.

My worst nightmare in this scenerio is that the only other person left alive would be my ex-wife-then it would be a race to the firearms

Might have to re-think that one under the only man/only woman left thing-but OH MY GOD!

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« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2003, 01:30:43 PM »
...i'd go to DisneyWorld and marvel at no lines!

...raid the "Real Doll" factory for, umm...well...if you have to ask... :)  I'd grab lots of silicon repair kits too hehe

Reminds me, a bit, of the movie Langoliers (Stephen King).  Kinda partial to it, I was an extra in it (I'm in the last scene for almost a full second!  Who wants to touch me?)

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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2003, 01:36:49 PM »
the multi-fuel duce and a half is a good idea, i worked on them in the service , they will burn anything and you can mix the fuels and they are good off road, hual alot, easy to drive.

you could find enough MRE's at a mil base to last you for years, not gormay but we talking servival here, at least until you could grow somthing.

many large buildings have back up generators that would do in the short term.the nuke sub could provide fresh water, elect, secure place to live, would have to take a crash course in running the power plant, i would not plan to take it to sea, no crew.

as for ex wives, mine is a RN thats likes camping, so she would be a asset.

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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2003, 01:39:44 PM »
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...the movie Langoliers (Stephen King)... I was an extra in it (I'm in the last scene for almost a full second!
how was it to work with broson pinoct :D


dunno if I'D brag abuot that though ;)
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