Aces High $19.95 Special Offer

[Gman]

Booo to you....ROFL, I say that at least ten times a day.  I thought it was just me...

[AKDejaVu]

HTC needed to find out how many people would go for the game if it were only $20 a month.  The chose people that tried the game for 2 weeks but didn't opt to buy into it.  Maybe people that played extensively for two weeks but didn't opt to buy into it.

They can't say "$20 for 6 months" because that's not really a serious pricing plan.  The people need to buy into a fixed rate or the sample is skewed by "they are just trying to hook us".

Who is paying $30 that wouldn't rather be paying $20?  Unfortunately, you've already showed your willingness to play the game at $30 and thus you wouldn't be much help in determining how many MORE people would play if it were only $20.

So.. complain away about HTC offering the lower rate.  Quit the game.  I'm sure the intention was not to say "hmmm.. more people are joining at $20... maybe that is a better rate"... then lowering the rate for everyone.

Badger, you made a statement about "Players paying less PERMANENTLY".  It was incorrect on a few accounts.  1) you are assuming that HTC wasn't going to lower the rate for everyone after the survey was complete.  2)  You are forgetting that a cancelled account cancels the offer.

Permanent was never stated for anything.  You just chose to throw that in there.

Now stop you fricking whining and get back to the game.  I can't believe people are whining about HTC considering lower prices.  If they hadn't done this at all you'd all be paying $30 and not caring.

Once again... the community is more concerned about what everyone else is doing.  Its beginning to make me sick.

AKDejaVu

[hitz]

LOLOL
 
To funny, how not to 101.....

[1776]

I am of the "wait and see" school.

$29.95 is the least expensive part of my computer costs.  I have DSL $40.00/mo and I won't tell ya what I have spent to upgrade my puter!!

I like how this sim has progressed and I have been here since beta and look forward to watching just how the best sim online continues to improve.

Just where is a better sim?  I say not AW, not DoA, not WB, not WWIIonline........

I will wait and see what develops.

Am still a happy customer  


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[Fury]

Wow look at all these responses in such a short period of time!

I must make my feelings known on this, it really sounds important!

First of all, where's my survey    

Secondly, I will continue to pay 29.95/month until HTC deems it is time to raise or lower the price.

Fury

<overheard at HTC headquaurters:

ht: "Pyro, I want you to come up with some hairbrained scheme that will get us new customers, but make sure you intentionally screw our old faithful customers.  I want them pissed so they all leave and we can start all over again with a new customer base."

Pyro: "Sure, no problem".

gimme a break and let HTC run their business.  Use you money and your head, not your knee-jerk gut reaction.


<<edit: damnit, Kieren beat me to it.  I really should have read all 134 posts before I posted this>>

p.s. Anyone read a good whine abouit the Language Filter lately?  Hmmm, guess not.

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[gatt]

Someone enlighten me plz. There are also 9,95$ offers, here in Europe. What a mess. Frankly, I dont care. But a lot of my squad mates are really pissed off. Why HTC did not do any official announce about these new offers?

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by gatt:
Why HTC did not do any official announce about these new offers?

Oh I wouldn't know this one.. it's too f'in hard... maybe cuz THIS THREAD WOULD OF HAPPENED?
Thanks to Badger, this thread did happen. No one seems to understand that for this month they could be paying their usualy 29.95, and NEXT month they could be paying 19.95 cuz of this supposed "screw the current customer base" bulldookie that people are scheming up in their heads.

Think FUTURE people. Progress always goes forward, doesn't stay in it's current state.

And use your g'damn heads.. Evolution gave us brains for which to use.. put them to use!
-SW

[Badger]

DejaVu....

Since you've chosen to bring your standard class act rhetoric to what you've coined a classless thread, I would have appreciated your taking the time to read the posts before commenting.  

Although I never made the statement you attributed to me "Players paying less PERMANENTLY", adjusting  for your grammar it is essentially correct.

Quoted email:

"We've made arrangements for you to join the ranks of massively multiplayer flying for only $19.95 per month, unlimited months, unlimited flying until you delete this account."

I'm just a country boy dejavu and you're obviously a lot smarter, but this says to me a full time/full benefits membership at a reduced rate of $19.95/month for this particular individual, but it should be noted that emails sent to others set rates of $9.95, $14.95 etc, for as long as any of these people maintained their accounts.  Of course if they quit two years from now and wanted to re-subscribe, they'll pay whatever the flat rate market price is at that point, most likely it will be under $10/month.  So, what don't you understand or were you just playing with semantics again?

Looking for cheaper prices? ...hehehe.  I guess you never got to the part where I was willing to pay $60 U.S./month or more, but it's purely academic as are comments like this which deflect from the real issue and are only designed to create dissention in and of themselves.

Assuming that HTC wasn't going to lower the rate for everyone after the survey was complete?  Well, again, read the first post.  The question was posed and Pyro answered.

Start up a flight sim?  Interesting concept, but unfortunately since nobody has and is breaking even today doing this, then I'm not sure it's a great idea.  I guess that's when you have to start wondering why.  

I have no quibble with the idea as it was great, but the execution was badly flawed.  Jedi summed it up very nicely.  "If you came in here BEFORE you did it, and said, "We're going to offer a LIMITED number of trial memberships at $19.95 to see if that brings enough folks in to lower it across the board," I'd bet you would've seen almost unanimous support."

As far as my business acumen goes, yes, I dabble somewhat and have had some small success. Apparently not as much as many on here though, but I'm still learning.  

Badger

[Fatty]

 

Originally posted by Badger:
A first year marketing student is taught the axiom that "it's much easier and less costly to retain and achieve incremental revenue from any existing customer base, than it is to go out and spend dollars to market and find new customers to sign-up".  The moral, maximize what you have before you start throwing ideas and programs against some research wall to see what sticks.

Actually, pretty much nothing a first year marketing student is taught has any basis in reality.  The common old slogan should probably be reworded now into Those who can't, sit around and analyze.

A poll in which people are not committed to their answer is inherently flawed, no matter how stringintly selected and honest their answers it remains what they would theoritically pay (ot to mention by definition it's a target audience of people already interested in online flight sims so much that they are in a discussion group about flight sims).  I'd rather not get started on the faults of theoretical business models, this thread is long enough already.

Is McDonalds wrong to give away free fries to some people?  Hell, I eat it all the time, why do those other guys win free fries and I dont?  Should I stop eating McDonalds?  No.  As long as it is worth the price for a quick easy snack I will drive through and eat.

Once over the outrage at someone getting a lucky break, the question facing you is still the same.  Is this product worth paying $29.95 a month for?  If jealous outrage makes it no longer worth that, well, then, I guess some fall into that catagory.

Is this subsidizing other to play cheaper, or kissing HTC's ass?  No, it's simply paying what I am charged because I feel it is still worth the money.  Sure I'd like to play for $10/month.  On the other hand should rates increase I'd probably stick with it higher than $30, I'd have to reevaluate that if/when it ever happened.

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Fatty
Fat Drunk Bastards
"Newer studies show that over 97% of whines come from whiners."

[Ripsnort]

Fatty?  The same Fatty I met at the con?  WOW!  Did you pull the IV out?  
<S>

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by Fatty:
Actually, pretty much nothing a first year marketing student is taught has any basis in reality.  The common old slogan should probably be reworded now into Those who can't, sit around and analyze.

 

Preach on Brother Fatty.  As a guy who works for a living (sorry not in a marketing department) I say Amen!  

BTW, (and I'm gonna get flamed for this) How do you get 10 Marketers in a phone booth..........Promote 1 and watch the rest crawl up his/her arse!

My guess...200 posts easy!  

I can't use all those fancy words like our marketing experts, so here's a simple thought.  While AH, WB, WWIIOnline say there are not competing with each other..that could be true, but they are competing for our dollars and that is not a infinte pool.  So my guess is one or more of these different companies strategies is going to be to find the right price where this finite pool of simmers can afford to participate in 2 sims at once.  That way they can still tap into the larger market segment and reach critical mass.

Now, I want my lower rate.  While I can justify paying $30.00, I'm not stupid...I'll always pay less if I can.

Cobra

[AKDejaVu]

Badger,

You write very well.. and say very little.

People want to pay less for this game.  Some people now have that oportunity.  That could mean good things for all.  It will not mean raised prices for anyone.  So.. worse case scenario is that you pay exactly what you are paying right now.  Only petty jealousy comes into the picture.

As far as implimentation goes.. well you just love hindsight don't you.  Its real easy to say none of this would have happened if HTC would have just anounced it beforehand... I mean how can you be proven wrong on it?

Regardless.. people we all fly beside would have been paying less.  No matter what the implimentation.  Those that want to be tulips will continue to do so... regardless of implimentation.

And.. if you expect me to believe that you only posted this because you felt HTC could have "implimented it better" then I feel sorry for you.  You obviously think the world mistakes good writing for inteligence.

AKDejaVu

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[Baddawg]

This is the right way to argue.       Argue



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[gatt]

What I cannot stand is to be shot down by a 9,95$/month cannon-hog while I'm flying a 29,95$ C.205. Definitely.

[AKSeaWulfe]

Unfortunately this thread will never be locked because then the accusations of "well they obviously don't give a sh*t" or "they are just rip off artists" will abound the msg board by the paranoid and/or amazingly and without a doubt STOOPID people.

Too bad, I see the human race getting dumber by the post in this thread.
-SW