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[Badger]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:

You write very well.. and say very little.
AKDejaVu

It's hard to say much when you keep changing the subject and keep avoiding the real issue.  

Again, if you'd taken the time to read before wading in, you would have noticed my comment about getting this subject up front here on home turf before it became a spectacle on other boards, or are you naive enough to believe this would have been a corporate trade secret?  I doubt very much that HTC ever intended it to be that way.

Don't feel sorry for me dejavu, I'm doing quite well, thank you.  I'm out until the dust settles, so you'll be able to get back to dominating everyone else's topics.  

You obviously think the world mistakes good writing for inteligence.

Ouch....  

Speaking of class?

Vadr has a great expression that reminds me of academic characters like yourself.  "You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think".

Damn, I hate insulting people, but sometimes it's appropriate, especially on behalf of a normal silent majority who have always wanted to say that, but have been too intimidated to do so.  

(Badger quietly closes the door and disappears into the night)

[Maniac]

LOL GATT!!!!!!!

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WB : -nr-1-

[RAM]

<RAM slips again into the thread for a moment>

 

Originally posted by gatt:
What I cannot stand is to be shot down by a 9,95$/month cannon-hog while I'm flying a 29,95$ C.205. Definitely.

I could have said it in many different ways. Never better than you, Gatt.

Just change that C.205 for a Fw190A5.

[maik]

GATT, 100% with ya!!!

besides plane  .
Nice discussion bout marketing issues folks, but i still feel like a customer 2nd class  ,

Maik

[sax]

How long do you think iTEN would wait to jack thier prices up if HTC closes thier doors. We better support these guys in every way possible. The reverse may also be true, yay Warbirds.
sax

[LJK Raubvogel]

*steps into cockpit, points handgun at crew* "Ok, listen up, this is a hijack. Turn this thread to 270, your new destination is the Archived messages."

 

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LuftJägerKorps

[Lance]

I vote Yes on Fatty  Damn, thats twice this week, punk.  You need to drink some more beer, you're starting to post coherently.

 

I learned a long time ago, that whether it be about religion, business or social environments, there will always be a group of people willing to strap explosives to their bodies to become martyrs for their beloved cause. It appears that AH is no exception.

All right, Badger, I won't let that jab at anyone supporting HTC slip  Yes, there are those types of people in the world.  There are also those that have to try to criticize, downgrade, tear apart or destroy anything of significance that they are not responsible for.  They do this so that they can feed their ego, or perhaps to elevate themselves in comparison to those of true ability as their own limitations keep them from attaining such heights.

Very little of what you have posted on these boards has ever been constructive.  Every time I read one of your bi-monthly HTC business diatribes I am reminded of Ellsworth Toohey in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead."  Your posts make you seem obsessed with finding flaws with this company.  Why?

If this is only a game to you, and you are truly happy with your life, career, grandkids, and so forth, then by all means close your account AND quit posting.  If you still feel like you have to post and make your voice heard on these boards, then I guess you can stick around and keep on demonstrating to the world that you have some need to continually attempt to undermine HTC.

Gordo
Fat DRUNK Bastards!

[Maverick]

Jedi summed it very nicely I thought. Far better than my own poor attempts to make my thoughts clear.

Some have posted that a poll where the person giving the opinion has no stake in the question automatically flaws the poll. That is simply not true. If you are interested in what that person thinks on their own without influence you cannot offer them an incentive related to the question. If you do you are buying the opinion from the person who will answer based on what they think you want to here.

Jedi's temporary offer idea was fundamentally sound. If the player stays until the $19.95 offer was revoked and leaves, you have just discovered your price point. The data that you derive from that experiment has conclusively told you that the price level was comfortable for that level of player.

If the number of players goes up during that temporary period then later goes down when those players leave after the price was raised you have confirmed your price point.

This is the methodology I do not think ANYONE would have a problem with. Current players would understand that the offer was temporary and would welcome the chance to get the easy kills knowing that those that stay would be paying the same for the same service.

As I stated before, if the price goes down I would be very happy. I have no problem with HTC looking to get more numbers and a lower price. My problem is with the methodology used to look for the price point.

Am I going to quit? Not yet. Am I happy? Absolutely not. Nor do I think I should have to apologize for my displeasure about this situation. In effect I have just been told that my worth to the service is less than that of a player who did not elect to play for pay at the contracted price. This is based on the fact that others who did not pay to play were given a permanent price reduction instead of a temporary incentive price. If my price comes down to that level great. But I do not see any reason why I should be happy about paying one third or one half more than another player for the same product.

It has been posted that people should pay for different levels of play. Now really, think about that. How long do you think a beginner would play if they were limited to a F4F, Brewster Buffalo, Kate, Val or Fairey Swordfish when most others (or quite a few) were able to have 190 D's 51's, Nik1's, chogs and other late war planes? Not too long is my guess. No one wants to play at a marked disadvantage unless they do so for the challenge. Someone like Nath and Citabria would be a dangerous foe even in those planes.


Like Ram (funny how this has brought some together) I will stop posting about this. I simply lack the eloquence to properly express what I want to say here. What I have said will have to suffice as I cannot think of any better way to express it. If some here do not like what I have said or my position, that is not my problem. I am far more concerned with the "man in the mirror's" opinion.

Flame away.

Mav

[Kieren]

 

You just... don't... get it, do you, Scott? You don't!

Dr. Evil, Austin Powers

[AKDejaVu]

OK badger.. this is what I think.

I think you like to critique other companies buisness strategy.  I think you write well.  I think you like to use that writing skill to sound as if you REALLy know how it should be done.

In truth, I think you are full of hot air.

You sound like a college professor to me.  One that was a student until he got his PhD.. then became a professor.

I read your posts.  I read into them.  I simply wonder what you are getting at.  You attempted to "get this subject up front here on home turf before it became a spectacle on other boards"?  LOL!  I guess you made it a spectacle on this board instead.  That only helps to make it more of a spectacle on other boards.

AKDejaVu

[This message has been edited by AKDejaVu (edited 10-25-2000).]

[Cobra]

 

Originally posted by Lance:
I vote Yes on Fatty    Damn, thats twice this week, punk.  You need to drink some more beer, you're starting to post coherently.
 Every time I read one of your bi-monthly HTC business diatribes I am reminded of Ellsworth Toohey in Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead."   Gordo
Fat DRUNK Bastards!

What's this world coming too??  The FDB's are posting coherently and are men of letters as well??

Next will be dog's living with cats, or worse, WB's living with AH's..yikes..oh the humanity.

Cobra

[SOB]

ah, em....

<SOB taps on the podium, and directs the rest of the FDBs in a stunning rendition of "Highway to the Dangerzone" with a moving armpit fart sound chorus>

We're just trying to...give something back to the community  


SOB

[edog]

 

OK badger.. this is what I think.

I think you like to critique other companies buisness strategy. I think you write well. I think you like to use that writing skill to sound as if you REALLy know how it should be done.......

You sound like a college professor to me. One that was a student until he got his PhD.. then became a professor.

Hmmm, being a college professor, I'm not quite sure how to take this one. On the one hand, I'm insulted.  On the other, I think what Badger says here makes one helluvalotta sense.

 

edog

[vadr]

 

You sound like a college professor to me. One that was a student until he got his PhD.. then became a professor.

hehe. Not exactly.  

I was gonna stay out of this but, just so's you'll know: The old badger is at least as well qualified to speak to what is and isn't a good business move as anyone here, and eminently more qualified than the vast majority of you. He doesn't blow his horn much so I won't either, but you should take my word on it.

Now, the point here is: This is sort of a funny way to go about searching for a new pricepoint. Seems to me that most of you don't mind, which indicates that HTC must know their customer base pretty well, but it's still darned peculiar to someone with a formal business education. There was/is the risk of quite a backlash.

Pyro's response is good, I'm sure everyone will eventually get whatever the new pricepoint is, and life will go on.

Now, you guys can go back to discussing this to your heart's content, but I'd lay off of the old Dachs. It's better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt.

In closing, badger is a fan of HTC and always has been. He's just smart enough to know that being a supporter does not necessitate walking around with blinders on...

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[eskimo]

A college professor I am not.  
A first grade teacher I am.
And I can attest that if I were to pass out cookies of different sizes to my students, those who got the smaller cookies would not complain.

eskimo