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Offline Fariz

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« Reply #165 on: October 25, 2000, 04:53:00 PM »
This thread got lot of replies, even more than "tell me who are you". So we love money more than our egos?  

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« Reply #166 on: October 25, 2000, 04:56:00 PM »
I hate to single you out Badger... but ya *did* post this thread...and your misgivings about this latest development are such that you'd walk away from what most of us would deem as, well, a hobby... therefore, you're fair game  

I guess I'm trying to get at the nut of what's so upsetting about this... I culled your posts to try to find that one reason... summed up as it were. Here's what I extracted as your reason for quitting:

 
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I simply can't endorse a practice that isolates me as a revenue stream from others who pay less for exactly the same service, especially when a greater revenue opportunity is available from the existing customer base, including players like me. - Badger

Allow me to paraphrase (loosely). You're not comfortable with people paying less than you, especially when your prepared to pay more.

Do I have that right? It makes no sense to me.... But that's not your fault. You have the full right to your opinions/feelings, and you certainly don't have to explain them to anybody. Yet you do. So after I look beyond all the posts, and the lengthy rationale, I can't see this as being anything more than envy. I could easily be wrong.... just how it reads.

 
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To those players willing to pay 30% or more on an on-going basis, than a virtual pilot flying next to you for EXACTLY the same service,...

You've got it wrong, I think. We are not paying more, they're paying less.



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« Reply #167 on: October 25, 2000, 05:00:00 PM »
Pyro's idea sounds good to me . Why ? It sure will get numbers he wants . How do I know ? Well one of my buds sent me 60 bucks to come back and fly with them . Now I tried it but you know what ? They would have to PAY me to fly were I wasn't happy or having that much fun . I sent the money back .

But when I was having fun 50 bucks wouldn't have been too much ! Get IT ? It ain't the money , just like Hangtime and some others said . I don't and didn't fly cause of money reasons , I flew were I was learning and having the most FUN . When it stops , the money STOPS .

Hope you get your answers AH gl to ya's ,

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« Reply #168 on: October 25, 2000, 05:10:00 PM »
Jaaaaasus keeeeeristcle onna roller skate!

FDB's coherent... that wus worth 29.95 before the chorus!

It's a shame Badger quit.. I was lookin forward to a rodent hunt... also worth 29.95.  

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« Reply #169 on: October 25, 2000, 05:18:00 PM »
Well, I guess I should take a whack at this.  As someone who runs a service business and also one who wants to see my client succeed, I add the following;

It seems that some people are personalizing this.  No finger pointing, but some of the posts to appear to come from a personal point of view, and/or heavily quilted with business savvy.

Let me give you a real story, which does relate well to this situation.  Last year I was faced with having to offer DSL service or face certain extinction.  With little knowledge of how it may effect my overall business, I opted to offer it at a higher price than most of my competitors.
1) The higher price would allow a slower growth and give me time to make sure I had all things lined up correctly.
2)  It would ensure I would not oversell the service, which is important to me.

After 4 to 5 months, I discovered the DSL clients really were not taxing the overall service.

At that point in time, I could then afford to lower the price, but only if I knew it would garner more business.  It was a fine line to be walking.

As calls for DSL service came in, we were telling the new prospects a price which was well under what my current client base was paying.

This went on for another 3 months.  After that I determined we could lower the price across the board and still be profitable.

We did so.  No announcements, we just changed all of our current clients price to the new lower price.

They were very happy.


Now, those old clients of mine, paying that higher price were mostly converted accounts from dial-up and had been with me for years.  Now had those clients found out I was charging a lower price to others for the same service, they probably would have gotten angry about it.
Did I screw those clients?  No.  I gave them the same price as soon as I could.

My only other option would have been to start at the low price, and hope like hell the client base built quickly, so I could stay in business.  As it was, the clients that paid more got quality service and when I could afford it, they got the lower price as well.

The only difference here, is that it became public knowledge before the process had time to work.

Do you feel your $30/month has gotten you quality service?  If yes, then you should applaud HTC's effort to find out if the timing is right for a lower price.
You paying $30/month are not second class, you are not being screwed, you are, in fact the reason HTC may be able to get to a lower price point, and the reason they have been able to offer quality service since day one.
If you answer no to the above question, then you should not be here anyways.

Strictly from a business point of view, I find no flaw in what they are trying to accomplish or in the manner they approaching it.  The only flaw, is the fact that it came to light too soon.  Had no one known about it, nothing would have changed.  Those of you who are quitting, would still be flying and happy about it.
This is why I think some of you have personalized this.

Oh, and many of you are making some rather gross assumptions about the target demographic.  No one from HTC has stated what that demographic was, and it is none of our business.

Anyways,...just doing my part to get this thread to 200.

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« Reply #170 on: October 25, 2000, 05:25:00 PM »
huhuhuhuh the last fiew weeks i simply get bored p.sed and all what u can about AH
if the LW planes to god that is no god all the dwebs will fly if they Tricky to fly what is not actualy the situation in AH,  well the trick is a warp thta all about 190 what not give any big respect a hell with the price
but the folkz who pay 30$ i think merite some PREMIUM  package othervise ......

for exaple NO perk for 30 $ :-))    a stupid example but is it not my job to find out what is the premium  

well nobady like it when for the same product people pay diferent prices will wonder if HTC crew in next shoping in lokal supermarket get biled 200% extra, the answer Mr Pyro is it just to test you reaction  

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« Reply #171 on: October 25, 2000, 05:27:00 PM »
Ok I will answer one more time.

I know a guy who has a 9,95$/month offer and will probably accept it. He has told me 2 hours ago, no kidding.

He will paying 10 bucks/month until the end of time, an ammount I doubt will be implemented in AH (it is wayyy too few money for making AH profitable). Being as it is this guy will be more than probably, paying less money than me forever.

YOu may say that 20$ is not a difference to whine for. 15$, or 10$ either. let me tell you ,you have your business, you have your life and 99% of you have wayyyy more money that I have now. For me even 5$ is a BIG difference, letting aside the consideration that people who have abused the trial time for 2,3 ,4 even 5 times, is paying less than me ,one who has allways done the impossible to pay the full 30$ amount,and always said that AH was worth it.

If I had money it won't be such a biggie for me. I havent so it is a BIG thing.

 And more because this is making a big difference between loyal customers and others who chose not to pay. The reward for us for believing in AH and supporting HTC is to pay three times the ammount that others who left?!?!?!

Thanks for rewarding our loyalty, really.  

Again, they could have given 6 months of reduced rate, and see the results. THey gave lifetime offer.

I was pissed with the 19.95$ thing. But 9.95 is the 30% of what I pay!.

Now I'm not pissed anymore, now I'm raged.

Sorry everyone if I find this unnaceptable, BUT I DO.  

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« Reply #172 on: October 25, 2000, 05:34:00 PM »
Hehehhehheeeeeee..

 
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Sorry everyone if I find this unnaceptable, BUT I DO.


And so; you are going to do.... ???

 

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« Reply #173 on: October 25, 2000, 05:40:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Hangtime:
Hehehhehheeeeeee..
And so; you are going to do.... ???

 

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« Reply #174 on: October 25, 2000, 05:46:00 PM »
I just had to cancel my HTC account because of my financial situation.  Had I gotten an E-Mail saying I could Come Back for $19.95 a month I would be all over it.  I was in early on the open beta, and it hasn't been a month since I canceled.

I don't think anyone thinks of me as a quake flyer, and I hope I gave some good input that added to the strategy system implemented.

I would like to come back, I just can't do it at $29.95 a month.  If HT/Pyro offered me a $19.95 account I would sit down with the wife and try and convince her that we could afford the cost.  I myself crunched the numbers and $29.95 just isn't do-able, especially with Christmas coming.  $19.95 a month might not be do-able with Christmas coming, but a $14.95 a month account option would have me begging the wife to let me sign back up.

Now having spouted all that out.

HTC is doing market research to see if they can attract and hold more customers by lowering their monthly subscription fee.

As Pyro said if they would have said, "Hey folks were going to lower the price, you have three choices, $24.95 Per Month, $19.95 Per Month, or $14.95 per month, please everyone vote."

Very many, probably the majority of us would say $14.95 a month.

The question is can HTC Stay in business at $14.95 a month.  I think that is what most of us want,  I think even the folks who Fly Warbirds want HTC to stay in business, look what has happened over there.  iEN now has a flat rate, and there is sufficient evidence that WBIII is more than just vaporware.  I don't believe iEN can ever go back to hourly charges, and all that had to come about because there is a new kid on the block.

HTC has to find a price that will attract customers and continue to allow them to afford development costs and hopefully maintain and update their equipment.

So $14.95 may not be the price that HTC can live with.

So they tried to find out how much fish they could catch with the new bait, and the fish in the bucket are not all happy with that.

HTC is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I think it is a bit crass of badger to bring this out, and not give HTC a chance to break the news to us.

Now it seems that HTC will have to have a monthly subscription of $19.95 a month regardless, and what if they can't afford to operate at $19.95 a month.

I think it's great all the guys who say they will pay $29.95 a month, or $60 a month or whatever.  Perhaps they can sponsor a wannabe online sim pilot who is a little down on his luck at the moment.  

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« Reply #175 on: October 25, 2000, 05:52:00 PM »
 
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HTC is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

I think it is a bit crass of badger to bring this out, and not give HTC a chance to break


Downtown, why did they give lifetime offers? why not temporal? THAT is the problem , THAT is where the problems come from. THAT is their mistake, and it is a big mistake IMO.

One thing is to do a bussiness thing to get new customers giving them a reduced rate for some months.

other thing is to give them that rate forever.

And if bagder had not brought this out I'd have done it by myself. I use to be in an IRC channel where 3 people have told me that they were flying two of them at 15$ and one at 10$. As you can imagime I won't have remained shut about this.

And yah know I had to read a thing like this:

"hey RAM, do you know who's flying AH at 15$/month?"

only to hear the next line:

"oh, I have a 10$ offer"

Sorry, this is getting me even more angry than I was...to hear that when I have been removing sky and earth to find the damned money I lack to pay the F***ing 30$...

better for me to stop posting in this thread till tomorrow the sooner.  


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« Reply #176 on: October 25, 2000, 06:09:00 PM »
I agree to some extent with Badger, Jedi, RAM, Maverick et al, but I think it too early to draw any conclusions about these 'offers'. Clearly, the range of offers (from $20 to $10) is designed to find a compromise between attracting the maximum number of customers while making a decent profit. I can see why no time limit was set on the offer; essentially the test simulates a situation where the subscription price is set at that level for everyone, to gauge the number of customers gained. This much is obvious.

However, like the minority who have already posted here, the same test results could have been gained from an offer lasting 6 or 12 months.

If no reductions in subscription price arise because of this, then I would consider not playing anymore. I empathise 100% with those who say would leave. However, I see this as unlikely given the current climate in the online community. A price decrease is almost inevitable.

Several people have said they don't mind continuing to pay $30, even when other people are paying less. This surprises me. When you watch a football match you expect to pay the same as those in the same part of the ground as you, and would surely be very unhappy if the bloke sat next to you was paying $10 less. If HTC was struggling, then I might agree with paying more to keep the game going - but the company doesn't seem to be going that way.

To the guys who have said they would pay $30 because they believe the entertainment they enjoy is worth that - are you going to continue paying $30 when the price decrease is made universal? I'd be very surprised if anyone did.

In conclusion, I think time will tell. In 3 months time we might all be paying $24.95.
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« Reply #177 on: October 25, 2000, 06:14:00 PM »
RAM,

Pyro should have put a clause in that the folks with the limited offer accounts needed to agree to not say anything.  I guess?

I understand where you are coming from, I can't afford the $29.95 a month, and I love to fly.

I am actually envious of you that you can afford to fly.  Tight as it may be.

I can understand why you are upset.

But I worry that now everyone (or nearly everyone) will demand a $9.95 a month account and HTC won't be able to stay in business.

What good is it for us to pay $9.95 and have HTC fold in six months, or get bought up by Microsoft or iEN?  I tried Fighter Ace and didn't like it.

We need HTC to stay in business, maybe they can do it at $9.95 a month, I hope so, but now their choice is very limited isn't it.  According to you and a few others there are folks with $9.95 accounts, there is going to be a rash of folks quitting unless they get $9.95 accounts.

I hope HTC can afford that kind of bite out of their budget?

I think Pyro was trying to find a reasonable price that they got a larger portion of new customers, and would still show a profit.  Now their choices are going to be very restricted!

Great if HTC can afford to take a 60% loss this month, and will be able to operate and upgrade at the new reduced budget!

What if now a mutiny occurs, HTC switches to a $9.95 subscription price, and the bundle of new accounts doesn't occur because all the FA and AW folks decide the flight model is too challenging and the learning curve is too steep.

Bye Bye Aces High.

I think what will be needed is a poll of current subscribes who are on the border of affording the $29.95 a month.  A poll of them stating what they can honestly afford, something less than $29.95 but more than $9.95.

Right now I think this is a bad thing, great for the subscriber who appears to be inline for great savings, but it has me worried about the viability of HTC.

What good will it be to pay $9.95 a month only to have HTC fold in six months?

Right now, I don't see my way back before Christmas, even at $9.95 or $14.95.

After Christmas, finances allowing I was perfectly willing to come back at $29.95.

If I get offered $14.95 I will actually sit down with my wife and beg to sign back up.

I really feel $14.95 is something I can afford, I think it is fair.  I think AH is better quality than Fighter Ace and worth a higher subscription fee.

I say $14.95 know full well that there may be folks who will fly at $9.95 and that I probably can't afford $14.95 right now.

Even if HTC can operate at $9.95 a month, I think they have done a great job so far, and I want the business to flourish and expand.  I want them to offer a MAC version of AH.

I don't want them to go out of business.

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« Reply #178 on: October 25, 2000, 06:25:00 PM »
Dammit Hangtime you were SO close.... poke him a couple more times will ya?  

I'll say this one more time everyone, in case you missed it:

"Beware jealosy, for it is the green-eyed monster that mocks it's prey."  -  William Shakespear, Othello  (as close as I can come from memory)

When you find yourself being outraged, have a think about that quote.

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« Reply #179 on: October 25, 2000, 06:27:00 PM »
3.  Billing/Pricing Changes - HiTech Creations reserves the right to change its rates and prices at any time, effective upon a 30-day written or electronic notice to current HiTech Creations members.

The above is what the current membership agreed to at $29.95

Hmmm so these new ppl are offered the new rate for as long as they wish with a guarantee that HTC will never adjust the price?!


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