Aces High $19.95 Special Offer

[gatt]

   

Where we will go in the future. As of today we have not decided what our price point will be in the future. It might change it might not. That's the question this survey should answer for us.

Well, its simple. This is an answer from me, a paying customer:

I've been playing and paying for a long time, never did a fake account, seeing guys playing for 4-6 months without paying a single buck. Now, euro guys that played a lot and left are receiving 9,95$ or 19,95$, unlimited time, offers. What do I have to think? Its not difficult: I am waiting for a general price reduction. How long? Not more than a few weeks.  

It doesnt take economists like Modigliani or Miller to understand it.

Disclaimer: this is an answer from a loyal AH customer, very happy of the sim till 1.03 version. Moderately happy now with 1.04 but still paying and supporting the staff. I have no PH.D. and dont run my own business, I simply look at my c/c bill every month.


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[RAM]

HT, god knows I think you are a great pogrammer and a still better person.

But I see people who has abused no less than 5 times the trial flying now for 15bucks/month. While I have been loyal, NEVER abused the trial thing and have payed monthly (And gladly) 30$ month.

I dont know if AH is worth it or not. Believe me (I am putting my word on this), if I could afford with no problem 30$ month I'd had said "I dont like it, blah blah blah" but would keep on paying 30$ with no problems.

As it is, I fight each month to get the money to pay AH, it is a BIG effort for me. ANd to know that if I had abused the trial, to know that if I had flown for months for 0$, and now I would've been offered 20$,15$, or even 10$ a month for flying AH, is more than pissing.

It is ,for me, an (unwanted,I am sure) insult to my loyalty, to my efforts, to my love for this game. You are bassicaly telling me that, because I didnt cheat, now I am paying 3 times more, 2 times more or 50% more than people who has cheated?.

  sorry, I wont fight anymore to get 30$. I wont keep me at home a couple of saturdays to prevent me going out to have a couple of drinks that can break my money for AH.

I feel betrayed. I feel insulted.

BUt, over all, i feel very very very very very sad

 

[Ping]

 I am not eloquent in speach , so please bear with me.
 Badger , This can of worms that was opened with your post surely could have waited.
 Did you consider talking with the staff at HTC before posting ?
 It was pointed out that you are qualified in business matters, does that mean you are qualified to vocally slam marketing strategies in front of the companies customers?
 That in my opinion is a matter of poor judgment and taste.
 Would I prefer paying less?  YES! Am I enjoying what I am paying for at the current rate? YES!
 You have put a Deep wedge in the community and in some cases caused harmfull attitudes towards the driving force in this game. This to me seems to be against everything you stand for.
 In my opinion Badger, You've done wrong.

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ping:
 In my opinion Badger, You've done wrong.

Dont blame him. I'd have done it only with 12 hours of difference, when I had seen those guys flying for half,or a third the money I pay.

Don't blame the messenger. Never.

[gatt]

Ping,
look ... this can of warms has been opened by internet itself. This thing is on the main italian online sim newsgroup, is on our private and public forums. Italian guys who left AH e-mailed us and posted the offers on our private and public forums about it, asking for our opinion.
How could you think to keep this thing reserved? How long time: hours? minutes?

[Naso]

No, Ping, Badger have done right.

We as customers need transparency from the company offering the service, is not a law, I guess, but is part of loyal behavior.

I, IMHO, don't think this choice to have some feedback from the market was a bad one, is lot less expensive of a large scale experts made commercial research, and for my POV will have a good payback in the future for us oldie in terms of reduced rate.

Will be nice, indeed, to understand the method used to choice the people offered, because we all know very well lot of the "change mail, next trail" issue (and some of us do this once before subscribe   ).

One think I have to point to HTC is the choice to not inform us about this, and a letter like ping's (S! very good writing) cut have avoid a lot of the bad feelings we are proving now (betrayed or whatever), explaining the reasons of the choice.

But this is gone in that way, hoping HTC will learn to be more transparent when our money are involved (1$=2300 ITL now   ).

I hope this will end, after the survey, in a reduced rate for all customers, and personally, I will forgive this diplomatic mistake HTC has made  , I still feel to trust in HTC's honesty.

For now.

And...

Give me the ME-163!!! I hate stratobuffs !!!
 



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Naso
4° Stormo Caccia "F.Baracca"
L'è Buna!!

[Gh0stFT]

just a note, not everyone who once used AH
 2 weeks trail got this new offer.

For me it sounds really interesting now what
happen with the price & AH. May finaly a chance for me to re-join the AH Clan  

Gh0stFT

[Ping]

Ram: There are some things you expect from some individuals.
 You by your own admission are hot tempered and quick to react. But by the same token, are you saying that you should be able to go to a place of business and flame the owners publicly in front of customers over their pricing policy?
 Its no doubt that this would spread like wildfire.
 However Badger is supposed to be a business man. As such,I would have expected him to act as one.
 I am a contractor, It is expected that I will not go to a supplier and argue with a sales rep over my material costs in front of customers. That is done in an office in private. Its called couth and class.
 I stand by my original post, He did not act like a business man. It showed a lack of class.
 He throws a huge flamefest to the wind and then Quietly dissappears into the night,
 That smells of cowardice and toejam disturber.
 That does not speak of a class business act.
 He was quick to condemn a business decision of another company, and in part I beleive because HTC did not act on ideas that his group forwarded.
 Care to discuss this further? I wll still be here to carry it on.
 

[Maniac]

If certain things are not to be discussed on this board then i think its time to set up another board on an independent host where you can discuss every topic about AH.



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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by Ping:
Ram: There are some things you expect from some individuals.
 You by your own admission are hot tempered and quick to react. But by the same token, are you saying that you should be able to go to a place of business and flame the owners publicly in front of customers over their pricing policy?

 I go to a Bar and I ask for a cup of wine. The bartender tells me that its worth 2$. I can say "hey that's expensive", if the wine is normal, or say "expensive, but worth it" if its awesome.

If I see another guy come to my side and ask for a cup of the same wine, the same ammount of the same wine, and the bartender asks him for 1$, believe me, yes I'll flame him to return my money back as I had payed the double for the same service.

Worth 30$ or not, there are people paying for 10$/month. And the fact that a lot of this people has abbused several times the free trial time,yet they are paying less than me, is an insult.

I dont flame HTC itself. I do flame their aproach to this matter.

I am sure they never wanted this to happen and that htey did this thing with the best of the intentions. That is the only reason I have my account still open.

Other thing is to know how much time will it last open.  

[-lynx-]

 

I read this as "we know this is gonna piss people off but we don't care". Nice attitude guy, you just lost all respect I had for you.

Why can't you read it as, say: "...we know this is gonna piss people off but we can't do much about it - you piss some people off no matter what you do..."?

Lots of people seem to feel "betrayed" - why? Is it because they offered this to "the other guy"?

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13 Sqn RAF

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by -lynx-:
Lots of people seem to feel "betrayed" - why? Is it because they offered this to "the other guy"?

Oh, no. I mean, not only.

It is because a guy that I know has had 6 trial accounts is now flying for 15 bucks a month.

ANd other who had 4 or 5 (dont know exactly) for 10.

I'd feel the same if there were only normal people involved, but to see this cheaters "REWARDED" for their cheats is absolutely indignant...

Oh, well, taking another good time before writing here more posts...as i am getting raged again  

[Maniac]

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I´m actually agreeing with RAM hehe.



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[gatt]

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[Wanker]

First of all, let me say that I like both Badger and Vadr. They are good guys and are well written/spoken.

That being said, I would appreciate it if all of you business gurus would please check your ego's at the door when you post about this topic. Most of us here are not business experts, just intelligent, thinking customers(who happen to be experts in other fields). Please don't beat us over the head with your business expertise, because this issue doesn't require the services of an MBA to understand, alright?

You are as entitled to your opinion as much as the rest of us, so please share in the discussion. Just don't hold the "I own a business" thang over our heads while doing it.

Thank you.