Author Topic: made funked and nopoop drive the big ugly car. (Read 3850 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #105 on:** July 28, 2003, 01:49:41 PM »

MG Midget = Austin Healey Sprite with different headlights and badges.
Hence "Spridget"

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #106 on:** July 28, 2003, 01:53:10 PM »

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Originally posted by classy man
lol! big blocks.

maybe back when they were cutting egde tecknology. but mister pleese enter the 2000's. Big block motors are NOT what cuts it these days. it takes tecnology, not just throwing together a big unefficient engine. designers today actually have to think about the design. there's no way you can beet a mitsubishi spider with some old rusty tired elk kamino. just no way! lol! you old timers really crack me up.

Ok, gonna have to step in on this one too. You, sir, have seen The Swift and the Slightly Miffed a few too many times. Allow me to run some numbers for you because the comparison between a late 60's muscle car and a Mitsubishi Eclipse Spyder is almost laughable.

2003 Mistubishi Eclipse Spyder
Front engine/FWD
3.0L V6
5spd Manual/4spd Automatic
200 HP @ 5500RPM
205 ft/lbs @ 4000RPM
0-60 MPH 7.2 Sec
1/4 mi 15.7 Sec @ 89 MPH
3241 lbs curb weight

-and for ****s and giggles, lets compare it to a 67 L71:

1967 Chevrolet Corvette 427 L71
Front eng/RWD
427ci V8
4spd Manual/3 spd Automatic
435 HP @ 5800 RPM
460 lt/lbs @ 4000 RPM
0-60 MPH 5.4 Sec
1/4 mi 13.5 Sec @ 111 MPH
3130 lbs curb weight

Sure, the Eclipse is a screamer when you compare it to a Civic EX, but once real cars are thrown into the equation, reality strikes. A 'big unefficient engine' hits particularly hard.

Dont lose sleep over it though, Vin Deisel (sp?) would be proud of you.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #107 on:** July 28, 2003, 01:54:04 PM »

For pontiacs there is no Big block or small block, its all one block with different bore/strokes.

For the 455s, you can make a big difference with a cam and higher compression, but by the time GM was putting engines over 400 cubes in mid size cars the muscle car erra was all but over. 1970 was the first year you could get a 454, or 455 in a GM A-body(chevelle, 442, GTO, GS)

the mods I listed, could ad up to 50 horspower to a Pontiac, a big jump on a "stock" car.

Chevy did put a Big block in the chevelle, but it was 396 cubes, and dint put out much more horsepower then the other GM motors. Hell Every owner of an original 396 I have talked had one thing in common, lol a thrown rod, while in waranty! lol.

Dowding · « **Reply #108 on:** July 28, 2003, 01:56:01 PM »

And now the jibes about sexuality. When all else fails... but then you don't strike as a particularly creative guy lazs. Unsurprisingly, you didn't refer to any part of my last post but the lack of a gun control reference is refreshing at least.

Like I said, I drive a crappy A2B car - a Fiat to be specific - it gets me around and that's all I bought it for. One day I'll have something better but right now it ain't a priority. I've got plenty of time; in twenty years I'll have something decent. In twenty years you'll most likely be dead. I guess you'll have to take my word for it.

lazs2 · « **Reply #109 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:07:46 PM »

In 20 years your opinion might be worth something.
lazs

Mini D · « **Reply #110 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:10:08 PM »

Saur... you need to visit the boards at http://www.bimmerfest.com and do a search for classy man to get some insight as to why you should never take a word he says seriously.

Dowding,

Any questions as to your sexuality were answered in April.

As for the car you drive... it's pretty irrelevant. I think the point Lazs was trying to make is what have you done with cars to gain such insight into them? What experience do you have with them? What experience do you have with big blocks?

Sorry, but "I once rode in a friends evo" isn't going to cut it in the grand world of car talk.

MiniD

SirLoin · « **Reply #111 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:12:40 PM »

Sorry to say Dowding,but "they" are trying to fed you up and "drive" you out of AH BBS like other perceived "Liberals".

BB Gun · « **Reply #112 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:17:33 PM »

ROFL

in 28 hours, this thread has 111 (now 112) replies?

u guys sure have fun over here!

Though at least its a departure from the typical OT political drivel.

Yeah, I read the whole thread, (VERY slow day at work today), and I agree with nopoop - you aren't a real man until you've strapped on a K-Kar... in my case, a cream and plastic wood K-Kar wagon. *sigh* How I miss that car some days....

BB <- who sometimes wishes he had the time, talent, money to buy/build a big block, or at least rent one

gofaster · « **Reply #113 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:21:37 PM »

Speaking of fast cars, when's the Pontiac GTO supposed to come out and what's the early opinion on it? Real deal or just a pretender?

lazs2 · « **Reply #114 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:29:24 PM »

If a real GTO means big block with roll up windows and a radio you can't hear (never mind airconditioning) then the new one will be a pretender... If performance is the criteria then it will be a better GTO than the original in allmost every way. Course... the old one will still turn heads the easiest and put a smile on your face more often.
lazs

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #115 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:30:16 PM »

Go
I think 2004 will be the first year.

I am mixed, it will be a six speed, 300 HP V8 car RWD, but it is going to be leathered up and heavy, not really a muscle car.

I wish they would sell a stripper version. Then it would be cool...

Ripsnort · « **Reply #116 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:42:01 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
If a real GTO means big block with roll up windows and a radio you can't hear (never mind airconditioning) then the new one will be a pretender... If performance is the criteria then it will be a better GTO than the original in allmost every way. Course... the old one will still turn heads the easiest and put a smile on your face more often.
lazs

You have to keep your market in mind these days, you just can't sell "speciality" fun cars like Detroit did in the 60's when they were the big boys on the block. Today, you have to cross breed it with convenience, gas milege standards, and find a market niche so that it sells well enough to pay for the tooling/assembly line. Fords way of making up for this was the SVT assembly line (low overhead)

SirLoin · « **Reply #117 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:45:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Fords way of making up for this was the SVT assembly line (low overhead)

When did Ampeg buy out Ford?

Vermillion · « **Reply #118 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:46:13 PM »

Gtora2, I'm a vette guy, but didn't GM put the 427 in anything other than the Vette?

Nice website on old cars! The 1969 L71 Corvette..... WOW

Basically the same car as mine, but the engine had an aluminum block. Only 2 were made, and its theoretically worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. But since 1 of those 2 cars sits in the Corvete Museum, I don't think its likely that the "one" car will be on the open market anytime soon.

Probably the closest to my car in performance on that website is the 1967 Vette that you guys saw. And even thats going to be slightly more healthy than my car. Its the same tri-powered engine as mine (and the cars are very similar mechanically except for body work which changed between 67 and 68) but it has mechanical lifters, where as mine as the more mild but easier to maintain hydraulic lifters.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #119 on:** July 28, 2003, 02:56:31 PM »

Vermillion
Other then some COPO special cars, like the 1969 ZL1 Camaro, that came with an aluminum 427(69 made, one sold for over 250grand like 10 or 15 years ago), I think the Vette was the only Factory 427 car.

The 66 Vette was also the reason why Pontiac stopped offering tri-power. GM said multi carbs was now a Vette only feature. lol.