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Offline StSanta

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« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2000, 01:08:00 AM »
Jah!

Herr Hangtime ist right! Et ist not gut venn rumors aar spret like zis!

Vee are merely observers!

Herr General StSanta, Luft..Luft...Luft Watcherers.

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Offline Swager

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« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2000, 06:58:00 AM »
Well then Jigster, apparently we are on the same turf, and this sim is not big enough for two dweebs of our magnitude.

If I have to, I'll challenge you to a duel to see who can pull off the most dweebish actions in one flight!!

 

Flak,  maybe you can monitor our duel and determine the winner (or is it whinner)!!  

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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2000, 11:15:00 AM »
Thanks, nice test to check myself. Ok, now lets try this one... item 1, dweeb, item 2, dweeb, item 3... hmmm, dweeb again, and... dweeb... dweeb... dweeb.

Can someone borrow me a gun?  

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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2000, 11:25:00 AM »
 
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Can someone borrow me a gun?  

Fariz

Absolutly, which caliber would you like?    

 



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« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2000, 01:18:00 PM »
1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.
Dweeb: Cut throttle and vulch the pilot.
Ace: Wait until he's got a little more alt, and speed, before diving in. Salute him if I get the kill or he kills me.
Experten: Set-up a wide orbit and wait for him to be in position for a perfect bounce from above and out of the sun. Salute him if he kills me.


Ace.  Done it exactly as described.


2): Enemy bomber is above your field. You've got less altitude than he does, but more speed. Several other pilots are present over the area, one in a position for a diving attack.
Dweeb: Try a dead-6 attack and cuss out the BUFF pilot for killing me. Then come to the BB and whine about BUFF guns being overmodeled.
Ace: Pull off to one side and accelerate past the BUFF. Contact other friendly pilots for help killing the BUFF. Man above dives in just before I turn around for a head-on attack. Salute both the BUFF driver and the pilot who helped me out, regardless of the outcome.
Experten: Do the same thing the Ace does, only I tell the friendly pilot to dive on my call. He agrees and as I turn around to come head-on I call and he dives in. The BUFF dies and I salute the friendly pilot for the help.


I do sometimes try a 6 attack on a bomber (When I'm in a Zero) but I never cuss at him or whine about bomber guns on the BB.  Between Dweeb and Ace I guess.


3): Vulching pilots are roaming over your field. It's been capped completely, with little hope of getting up and not being killed.
Dweeb: Try to takeoff 15 times, dying every time. Then I cuss out everyone for not helping, for vulching, and my own inability to think.
Ace: Switch to another field close-by and try to gain a little alt before engaging. Maybe call for help if there's too many enemy planes.
Experten: Call other pilots to join up at a field farther away from the one under attack. We get a plan together for a 3-way strike to break them up. Alt and speed advantage is on our side.


Ace.  Done exactly that once again.


Now for some opinions:

Favorite tactics:
Dweeb: Vulching mostly, and spraying everything around me when I can't get a good shot.
Ace: Up and Under attacks, bounce, a few aerobatic maneuvers when I've got the speed. Plan things out if I've got time and a wingman.
Experten: Strictly bounce, Up and Under, and wingman strikes all at high speeds. Plans are done enroute to the battle with my wingman / wingmen. I prefer to think before I act, in order to have an advantage over the enemy.


Ace, mostly.


Bad habbits:
Dweeb: I lose my temper every time I get shot down. People vulch me or insult me becaue I vulch, which gets me even more angry. They're the dweebs not me!
Ace: I sometimes lose my SA at bad moments. I get a little frustrated when some moron decides to not help others too. But at least I don't raise Merry Hell over the radio about it.
Experten: I have on occasion not given an enemy pilot enough time to prepare. This is my fault and I realize it. Comments about others I keep to myself, unless they're funny.


Ace, except I don't think others are morons.


Thoughts on Vulching:
Dweeb: Great way to rack up a kill streak! Plus I don't have to worry about being shot at by him.
Ace: Vulching? As long as it doesn't happen to me I really don't care.
Experten: That is not a tactic, it's a simpleton's cheap kill! Only people that can't think and fly at the same time do it. People who vulch should have their scores docked to reflect it.


Ace, its too easy to avoid simply by taking off from a field thats not capped.


Thoughts on score:
Dweeb: Scores mean absolutely jack squat.
Alt-Dweeb: I want the biggest kill streak ever!
Ace: I check my score at least once a week to see what's going on. I can find out where I need to improve, and what I'm doing right.
Experten: Scores mean two things: One; how you are performing against the other pilots. Two; a record of your ability to think and act in combat. I don't believe your score is your only way to show off. That's where tactics come in.


Ace, because the way scores are tallied here is really just a reflection on how much time somebody plays.


Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.


I don't know.  I like the Spitfire and the Zero, but I don't vulch.  I also grab a 109G-10 for its climb and speed, P-47s for their base killing ability and Tiffies for their groud attack capabilities.  Ace I guess.


Thoughts on guns:
Dweeb: Hispano and .50 cals rock!
Ace: Unlike the Dweeb, I can fire a burst and actually hit something. .50 cals are nice, so are the MG 151s for close-in work. I'll use a Tiffe on occasion for jabo stuff, since those Hispanos can do a number on anything.
Experten: Any weapon is fine with me. Accuracy, not firepower, is what will bring kills. You can kill with MG 17s just as you can kill with Mk-108s. The only difference is the time it takes to inflict major damage. If you can be patient you'll be able to kill using any weapon.


Dweeb kinda.  Don't like the term "rock".  I do use other aircraft and haven't found the Type 99 M2 or the Mg151/20 to be unusable.  I'm not very accurate, but I am trying to get better.


I don't think I can be considered an Ace.  I'm not a Dweeb and certainly not an Experten.  I don't think that people can be catergorized this easily and I don't like the pro-Luftwaffe bent these things usually seem to take.  This one at least acknowleged that Experten can fly non-German aircraft.  Its about time that one of them did.

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« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2000, 03:06:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Swager:
Well then Jigster, apparently we are on the same turf, and this sim is not big enough for two dweebs of our magnitude.

If I have to, I'll challenge you to a duel to see who can pull off the most dweebish actions in one flight!!

   

Flak,  maybe you can monitor our duel and determine the winner (or is it whinner)!!    

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Hmmm....well I do know that Swager looks swell in a plastic pink dress w/heels and matching Tiara when he is flying the Spitdweeb-mobile.

Does that count?

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2000, 03:13:00 PM »
Cobra, it wasn't pink, it was blue, see below:

 

 

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« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2000, 03:20:00 PM »
Vultching isn't dweebish.  We are all teachers in life, and hitting some neophite as they take off from a CAP'd field is an important lesson, that must be pushed home time and time again...some of us are slow learners after all  .  Attacking buffs from dead-6 position?  Sure, at least when they're on their bomb run.  And do I take off from a field being vultched? Sure, if you know the goon is lurking nearby and you are your countries last hope.  No sacrifice is to great for the homeland/fatherland/mothercountry.  Favorite tactic? Hmmmm...anything that works for the situation of the moment.  No one said war was fair  .  Bad habbits? Taking this game too seriously. Score? That and a dollar won't even get you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.  Favorite aircraft? I live, die and kill in all of um (but like the Jug best).  Thoughts on guns? <get's dreamy, slightly unsettling look on face> MMMMMMmmmmmmm...guns  .  Flakbait?  Way too much time on his hands.

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2000, 11:37:00 AM »
Rip -

That picture is a spitting image of swager!
Is this the one he sent to you for the JG2 website?

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« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2001, 11:22:00 PM »
Ahh the good old days....


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« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2001, 11:35:00 PM »
Hehehe I like it!  Good to see that the Luftwobbles have always considered themselves the only experten...  ;)

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« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2001, 12:09:00 AM »
Dweeb: Anyone who flies computer simulations

Ultra Dweeb: One who defines dweebism

Uber Dweeb:A dweeb who whines about non-Axis dweebs

Alt dweeb: Anyone higher than me

Bi dweeb:Complains about Axis and Allied planes

Celine Dweebon: You know who you are

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« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2001, 02:34:00 AM »
Flakbait, S!, nice one.

 
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Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.

On the "only boom and zoom in 190's", nah, you can do plenty of dogfighting in those planes, just got to pick the right adversary and the right moment. Maybe it is not the "experten" way but only B&Z is no fun for me.

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Dweeb: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to live.
Ace: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to get kills.

Experten: LW pilots that do both.


LOL,    :D

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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2001, 11:43:00 AM »
Im a Dweeb.. I dont use Tiffy for JABO. With 25% fuel & DTs Tiffy is very productive at 10k and under. I find it a challenge to furball low in her. I dont whine, i do <S>..

Im just a different kinda dweeb.

Dog out.....

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« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2001, 11:47:00 AM »
1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.

Dweeb: Dives into the ack attempting to vulch.
Ace: As the plane tries to gain alt staying within the field ack the Ace will make slashing attacks as the plane nears the limits of the 37mm.
Experten: Knowing that to enter a fight without the advantage is stupid he will wait until the plane is above the range of the 37mm and BnZ the plane to death.