rudder pedals.... worth the trouble?

[Halo]

Rudder pedals are obsolete.  Do you still dim your car lights with a floor button?  Someday all real flight vehicles will also have twisty sticks.  

What is more intuitive than having major wing and tail controls for one hand instead of having to coordinate with two feet?  

Hail to the Logitec Wingman Extreme with the new cup hat (instead of cone).  

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[beet1e]

Originally posted by Rude
Pedals are for pilots...twisty sticks are for kids:)

I take the view that pedals are for pilot wannabes. I've done the RL pilot thing (900 hours), and that's why I don't have to "prove myself" here. In this *game*, a twisty stick is all I have ever wanted or needed. This debate is not going to sway me one way or the other, whatever the outcome.

Next upgrade I shall get a mobo with at least 4 USB ports, and install the optional USB headers, and make my system as USB oriented as possible. Then I will replace my MSW PP stick with a FoxPro2 USB twisty.

[Rutilant]

Originally posted by beet1e
I take the view that pedals are for pilot wannabes. I've done the RL pilot thing (900 hours), and that's why I don't have to "prove myself" here. In this *game*, a twisty stick is all I have ever wanted or needed. This debate is not going to sway me one way or the other, whatever the outcome.

Next upgrade I shall get a mobo with at least 4 USB ports, and install the optional USB headers, and make my system as USB oriented as possible. Then I will replace my MSW PP stick with a FoxPro2 USB twisty.

But this *game* is also a *simulation*, a WW2 Combat Flight Sim.

They help to *simulate* it.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Halo
Rudder pedals are obsolete.  Do you still dim your car lights with a floor button?  Someday all real flight vehicles will also have twisty sticks.  

What is more intuitive than having major wing and tail controls for one hand instead of having to coordinate with two feet?  

Hail to the Logitec Wingman Extreme with the new cup hat (instead of cone).  

(Editor's note:  Do NOT research this poster's scores and make snide unflattering remarks about his dearth of decent scores.)

What makes you think that we don't have the technology now to do that ? and why have that not done it ?

Why haven't they integrated the accelerator for a car right on the steering wheel ?

[Tilt]

If you want the challenge of co ordinating more axis then go for the pedals...............

I run a Saitek X45 with Ch pro USB pedals.

I hated the rocker control for rudder on the X45 and now have it set for to out put banded DX commands and use it for flaps up and down.

Twisty grip is is actually easier for game play.

Interms of fidelity  best is pedals, then most twisty's then rocker rudders. (although rocker rudders will allow you to fly Bombers from a gunner position more easily than twisty)

Interms of co ordinating various limbs to achieve your goals

Twisty is easier.

Having mastered limbs pedals give a control edge.

[mars01]

You will never see a twisty stick in a real airplane ever.  Not in a million years.

If you have a hard time coordinating your feet with your hands maybe you shouldn't leave the asylum 8).

Mars01 M.A.W. Blacksheep

[JimBear]

Ever fly an Ercoupe?

[mars01]

Thats not a twisty stick.

[JimBear]

You are right, it is not a Microsoft Precision Pro knock off, but it does pretty much address the second part of your post on it  

[mars01]

That was only done on two planes as far as i know.  
the euro coup and Navion.  Most Navion buys remove the auto  coordination.

So yes two very old planes out of how many.  Any new planes built this way?

[JimBear]

Not that I know of.  Flew both of those (Navion with standard layout and upgraded Ercoupe)  having pedals IS mucho better.

[mars01]

Yep I agree,

Never flew the Euro Coup, but I did fly the Navion, it actually had the Coordinated pedals.  It was cool and it worked, but I didn't like it either.

Wont work too well in a spin either.  Good thing they still have the peddals 8).


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[Wilbus]

You can fly just as good with a twisty stick as you can using pedals. No one is better than the other, it's only a matter of getting used to it. I flew with Twisty stick for about 5 years before I finally changed, I like pedals alot better now, much because I fly in real life aswell I guess.

Matter of liking or not liking, pedals won't make you a better pilot nor will they make you worse.

[g00b]

Because it isolates your inputs. I doubt there is anyone on this board who could hold a steady fixed amount of elevator and aileron while twisting a stick back and forth. I would go so far as to say it's damn near impossible. Anyone who thinks a twisty is comparable is deluding themselves.

[wrag]

One point I have not seen brought up is CARPEL TUNNEL!

Twisty sticks are murder on the Carpel Tunnel for SOME PEOPLE!


I have flown with X45 (hmmm...seems to have a slightly slower response to input then all the following? and the view hat wore out rather quickly!)... Logitech(quick response but die within 6 months pots)... MS sidewinder(Pots lasted longer then logi)... TM Afterburner(very quick response, has either twisty or rocker, but cheap wearout pots!)... and now using an old (analog) Suncom F16 (fairly quick response to input) hooked to TMElite pedals and a (usb) CHPro Throttle.  Going to all CHPro USB setup later when the money is available.  Stick, throt, and pedals.