Author Topic: AH rewards milkrunner bombers... (Read 1370 times)

muckmaw · « **on:** July 30, 2003, 10:55:57 AM »

[Engage Whine-Drive]

I never realized how porked the stats are until today.

Apparently, if you fly bombers and go after difficult targets, you are penalized in competition for rank with the guys who up lancs and carpet bomb an undefended Strat target.

I've seen some of the top scorers in the bomber category average 1 million points per hour, and never shoot down an enemy plane. What does this scream? Milkrun, in my book.

You don't get that going after fighter hangars or CV's.

Perhaps this is the way it shold be, but I just can't spend my leasure time flying long hops to hit undefended, useless targets.

I guess I'll have to accept low stats and keep having fun.

[Whine drive disengaged]

Oh wait...I need the whine points...

ummm..

This sucks.
I'm cancelling my subsciption
Perk the LA-7
Move the fields further apart

Furball · « **Reply #1 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:11:50 AM »

yes, i was thinking this earlier!

i've sunk about 5 cv's this tour level bombing in b-26's and i was ranked 1400 or something.

So this morning i did a milkrun in lanc where i dropped bombs on both barracks factory and city to see how it improves my rank. Will be interesting.

You should get mega points for targets such as cv's and hq's as these are much harder targets.

muckmaw · « **Reply #2 on:** July 30, 2003, 11:19:14 AM »

I've been having a great tour against CV's.

I must have gotten about 5 as well, but god forbid part of your salvo misses...boom...your rank is history.

You just don't get rewarded for going after the tough to hit, or meaningful targets.

Midnight · « **Reply #3 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:11:43 PM »

well if the strat targets MEANT something, then that would solve your problem. Bombers are supposed to hit factories and cities.

They are milk runs because those target mean nothing at all to the game or how the war is fought, so why waste valuable fighter time flying to defend a useless factory?

And don't forget, the best LANC milk-runners carry the 4K cookie and drop ONLY that on the center of a factory. That ensures them a bomb hit % WAY above 100%.. we're talking 700% in some cases...

Hmm.. HT could fix that by making the highest hit percentage 100%.

There are just too many ways score dweebs can manipulate gameplay to make their scores look so good.

Furball · « **Reply #4 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:13:59 PM »

just checked rank, down to 800 or so in bombers, thats a gain of 600 in just 1 milkrunning sortie.

Kaz · « **Reply #5 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:16:13 PM »

Furball The Milkrunning DWEEB

Chairboy · « **Reply #6 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:24:16 PM »

Back in WWII, whenever they had a bombing mission that took out a target and didn't encounter fighters, I think they called that a 'well planned, succesful mission'.

Good thing we're not interested in emulating the actual WWII experience here! Otherwise, we might miss out on hearing people complaining about 'milkrunning dweebs'.

GScholz · « **Reply #7 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:36:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Back in WWII, whenever they had a bombing mission that took out a target and didn't encounter fighters, I think they called that a 'well planned, succesful mission'.

Good thing we're not interested in emulating the actual WWII experience here! Otherwise, we might miss out on hearing people complaining about 'milkrunning dweebs'.

True, unless they didn't expect to encounter any fighters, then they would call it a milk run.

humble · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:38:43 PM »

the ranking system as a whole is pitiful and has NO real value to either game play or determining the "best" pilot. You cant engage a ground target if your flying a "fighter" hop without damaging rank. You cant up from a capped field without damaging rank (assuming you get vulched part of the time). To the best of my knowledge plane type doesnt effect rank so flying a P40 or jug is no diff than a nikki, pony la-7 at least in the "kills" portion.

GScholz · « **Reply #9 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:39:25 PM »

Btw. I'm not joining in this whine. I couldn't care less how the "war" is going, I want the action. If a "milkrunner" wants to do a low lever Lanc run that I can intercept I'm all for it.

muckmaw · « **Reply #10 on:** July 30, 2003, 12:40:19 PM »

I have no problem hitting a target that means something. If I don't see any fighters, fine. A good fighter assault on my bombers is just gravy. My satisfaction comes from hitting a target that counts toward helping my team get a capture, prevent a capture or further the "War".

Stats are not all important, but it would be nice as an added bonus for a difficult job well done.

It's the fact that bombing a meaningless strat target, compounded by the fact that there is no resistance is extremely boring to me, and not worth the effort just to bump my ranking.

gofaster · « **Reply #11 on:** July 30, 2003, 01:30:15 PM »

I never learned how to calibrate the level bombing site, so I just eyeball.

So for most of this tour I've been dogfighting here and there, maybe doing some gv work, some gunning, but mostly interceptions. No jabo, no airfield attacks or gv bombing. My rank stabilized in the low 900's. Then one night I was bored and didn't feel like flying a long way to find some action, so I upped some B17s, climbed to around 5,000 feet and dead-eye bombed a radar factory next to a base we had just captured. I pressed the wrong button and only my lead B17 dropped its load, and half of those landed short of the target, but I did get some hits and knocked down some buildings. I had hoped that the flashing factory would attract bandits so that I could at least shoot something, but I didn't see a single enemy aircraft. Flak took out a couple of engines but I didn't have far to go so I landed all the planes and logged for the night.

The next day my rank had jumped to the 300's.

hitech · « **Reply #12 on:** July 30, 2003, 01:31:45 PM »

Exatly what targets do "mean somthing"?

HiTech

Chairboy · « **Reply #13 on:** July 30, 2003, 01:42:15 PM »

I think the feeling is that the 'strategic' targets don't actually have a noticeable effect on gameplay. In AW, you could knock out factories that produced certain plane types, then suddenly that plane stopped being available.

If you kill a CV, that means that people can't do a naval attack on the nearby friendly base.

If you kill hangars, it knocks out fighters or bombers for a field.

But if you knock out some strategic targets.... nada.

Personally, I think that emulating the AW method directly would be simplistic, but there is potential for good gameplay here. For example, if you establish a ''front' and have strategic targets that reduce the availlability of certain vehicles/planes near the front when they are destroyed, there would be something for bombers to do and there would be reasons to put up defensive air cover.

One way this might work is that if a wave of bombers destroyed a bunch of factories near the front, the attacked country would need to use fields 25+ miles behind the front if they wanted to take off in P-51Ds and such, but older planes would still be available for instant action.

JB73 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 30, 2003, 01:52:18 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
Exatly what targets do "mean somthing"?

HiTech

i think what they are trying to say is that zones are transfered back and forth so much and so fast that the rebuild time (which i see really being affected) doesn't come into game play as much.

IMHO it's not a problem of design or implmentation. its the gang bang nature of the MA. a large force just steamrolls to get the zone base, destroying everything in its path. sometimes followed by a ton of resupply goons.

everyone remember the night a few weeks ago Rooks killed every strat in the MA and the result of that? troops and fuel and stuff was down for almost the whole night for the bish and knits. that night showed what hitting the "menaingless strats" does.

to pick on lazs.. somone else posted the best remark a while back. something like: if it wasn't for the "building battlers" or people trying to capture bases he'd have noone to fight.

everyone has their own way of contributing to the "war" of the MA... don't forget thats what it is... not your own personal dueling arena.

if somone like 999000 flies to bomb things in a b17 why is he less ofa player? (sry 999000 just using a well known example

)some in the arena might not watch or pay attention the whats going on in the background (goons making endless trips with supplies, bombers navigating hostile territory and so on)

there was a guy in the MA that all did ever was fly goons. IIRC the story went that he was an actual WWII c47 pilot.

oh well sorry to go off topic a bit but HiTech's response lit the fire of what i've been thinking lately.

lets all just shut up, fly LW, and do what we want in the MA

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oh well my 2¢